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Options November 18, 2019: Whistleblowers in tech - w/Jack Poulson, Irene Knapp, Liz O'Sullivan, and Delphine Halgand

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Tonight, whistleblowers in tech - featuring Jack Poulson, Irene Knapp, Liz O'Sullivan, and Delphine Halgand.

For context, consider:

I'm the Google whistleblower. The medical data of millions of Americans is at risk (Anonymous, The Guardian, Nov 14, 2019): "With a deal as sensitive as the transfer of the personal data of more than 50 million Americans to Google the oversight should be extensive. . . . When I learned that Google was acquiring the intimate medical records of 50 million patients, I couldn’t stay silent."

Pointers to our guests:

Tech Inquiry, founded by Jack Poulson, "due to his experiences advocating for Google — his former employer — to be held accountable for its planned censorship and surveillance of human rights information and activity in China and abroad."

I Used to Work for Google. I Am a Conscientious Objector. (Jack Poulson's op-ed in the NYT, Apr 23, 2019)

Senior Google Scientist Resigns Over “Forfeiture Of Our Values” In China (The Intercept, Sept 13, 2018): "In early August, Poulson raised concerns with his managers at Google after The Intercept revealed that the internet giant was secretly developing a Chinese search app for Android devices. The search system, code-named Dragonfly, was designed to remove content that China’s authoritarian government views as sensitive, such as information about political dissidents, free speech, democracy, human rights, and peaceful protest."

• @supernodal (Jack Poulson on Twitter)

• @tech_inquiry (Tech Inquiry on Twitter)

On the occasion of leaving Google (by Irene Knapp, Sept 16, 2019)

• @ireneista (Irene Knapp on Twitter)

I Quit My Job to Protest My Company’s Work on Building Killer Robots (by Liz O'Sullivan, March 6, 2019)

Liz O'Sullivan's blog

• @lizjosullivan (Liz O'Sullivan on Twitter)

The Signals Network: the whistleblowers foundation, where Delphine Halgand-Mishra is executive director.

• @TheSignalsNetw (The Signals Network on Twitter)

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 5:55pm listener james from westwood:

Poking in early to say hey—and LOL at the horrifying Wacky Packages–esque Gargle pic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 5:58pm Mark Hurst:

Hi James! Glad you like the image. I have some fun images queued up for the playlist items, too...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:00pm Webhamster Henry:

Hi Mark & Friends!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techrakers!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:01pm Phillippe Bastille:

Hey technowhatevers! Whistles. To. Be. Blown!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:02pm Carmichael:

Heya Mark and responsible tecchies.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:03pm chresti:

Hi Mark and Techtoniacs!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/18/19 6:03pm coelacanth∅))):

greetings Mark & all
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Hello, Mark and Techtonia. Let's get puckered!
  Mon. 11/18/19 6:06pm melinda:

Hi everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:07pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark! Techtonicans!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:07pm Michael 98145:

howzit
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:07pm ultradamno:

If you look up 'whistleblower' synonyms, it's amazing how many have an overt negative connotation www.thesaurus.com...
  Mon. 11/18/19 6:08pm melinda:

My city council might pass a ban on facial recognition technology tonight, I can’t attend the meeting but I sent them an email today.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

In other news, coming to a megalopolis near you:

Facebook has signed a lease for more than 1.5 million square feet of office space at Hudson Yards. The lease, which covers 30 floors spread across three buildings, includes 1.2 million square feet in 50 Hudson Yards, 265,000 square feet in 30 Hudson Yards and 57,000 square feet in 55 Hudson Yards. The company plans to start moving into the offices next year. (CNBC)
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:14pm TDK60:

Hello Mark, been a while.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:15pm Mark Hurst:

Hi TDK, thanks for joining tonight!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/18/19 6:26pm coelacanth∅))):

they've had drones killing people for 10 years or more now, i believe
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:27pm Bas NL:

Now here\s a model: Killer robots are only allowed to kill killer robots.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

Yeesh! Those Three Laws of Robotics are hard to implement!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:30pm ultradamno:

First, do no harm. Second, have the robot do it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:37pm Michael 98145:

Remember, the demise of fixed-benefit pensions came about partly to convince employees they had skin in The Market
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:37pm Fredericks:

BBC headline from August of last year "Venezuela President Maduro survives drone assassination attempt."
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:39pm Fredericks:

What are "seo" results?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:39pm Mark Hurst:

Search Engine Optimization - basically, how to get higher in search-engine listings
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:44pm Webhamster Henry:

I haven't been able to land a full time job for three years, and I wasn't even a whistleblower!
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:45pm JakeGould:

SEO in 2019 is such BS. If Google is the only game in town and most of the SEO efforts are based on getting better Google rankings and then Google sells placement to people who pay… Why bother?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:45pm Bas NL:

A 'start-up' begins to sound like a not-eil-enough-yet in this context.
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:48pm JakeGould:

And yes, I know about Duck Duck Go and others, but pretty much all of the SEO consultants I know are all basically indentured servants to Google’s raking algorithms.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:49pm geezerette:

The broader implications are even more depressing than the specifics. Don't want to be cynical.
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:50pm Ignatatus666:

Building killer robots for the NWO/Zionism
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The human race won't be killed off by stabby physical robots but web-crawler software bots?
Avatar 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:52pm Ignatatus666:

@WebmasterHenry
What I fear is there is a blacklist for your type of employment.Do you believe that’s a reason for not finding employment in your field?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:54pm ultradamno:

Worst case scenario 4.bp.blogspot.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:54pm Michael 98145:

sounds like there are FAR too many irresponsible tech-bros
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:56pm ultradamno:

It must be very hard for HBO's Silicon Valley to come up with the exaggerated version of them.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:56pm Michael 98145:

... however, that is an excellent point about threatened immigration status.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm coelacanth∅))):

Thanks Mark and guests
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm JakeGould:

@WebmasterHenry: I would chalk this up to age-ism. I’ve met you a few times and you are clearly capable and skilled; agism is massive in the tech world nowadays.
  Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm Sam:

I just think nobody should have to quit their job because google is doing bad things. There should be government oversight. There should be laws against these practices. In most industries it’s not up to individual employees to stop massive egregious violations of human decency. You have the FDA, the FCC, the board of ed, etc
Avatar Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm northguineahills:

Do Killbots have a pre-determined kill amount?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark and panelists!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark! And thanks guests! Interesting show!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:58pm chresti:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 6:58pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 11/18/19 7:00pm Michael 98145:

@Sam, the WH is blowing that to bits
  Mon. 11/18/19 7:01pm Sam:

I guess, though there are a lot of conservatives who hate big tech.
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