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Options November 17, 2019: New & old, Kongshaug and Rudd.

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Artist Track Album Label Year Approx. start time
The Roscoe Mitchell Art Ensemble  Tatas-Matoes   Options Congliptious  Nessa    0:00:00 (Pop‑up)
 
Music behind DJ:
Sun Ra 
The Perfect Man   Options My Brother The Wind, Vol. I  Saturn Research  1970  0:02:08 (Pop‑up)
Junius Paul  Bowl Hit   Options Ism  International Anthem  2019  0:04:35 (Pop‑up)
Avram Fefer  Song for Dyani   Options Testament  Clean Feed  2019  0:08:26 (Pop‑up)
Geometry  Sun Grazing   Options Geometry of Distance  Relative Pitch Records  2019  0:12:07 (Pop‑up)
Daniel Carter, Brad Farberman, Billy Martin  Prince of Naps > Prince of Hair   Options Just Don't Die  Ropeadope  2019  0:22:42 (Pop‑up)
Aaron Novik  Room of Lost Love - Loss of Lost Love   Options The Hotel of 13 Losses  Aaron Novik  2019  0:30:09 (Pop‑up)
Aaron Novik  Ballroom of Lost Faith - Lost Dignity - Lost Soul   Options The Hotel of 13 Losses  Aaron Novik  2019  0:34:25 (Pop‑up)
John Chantler  We're Always at the End (Part 1)   Options Tomorrow Is Too Late  Room40  2019  0:36:56 (Pop‑up)
Katarsis4  Vai capi as buvau sauna mergele   Options Katarsis4  NoBusiness Records  2019  0:40:15 (Pop‑up)
Charles Rumback & Ryley Walker  Idiot Parade   Options Little Common Twist  Thrill Jockey  2019  0:47:01 (Pop‑up)
David S. Ware Quartet  Reflection   Options Théâtre Garonne, 2008  AUM Fidelity  2019  0:51:04 (Pop‑up)
 
Music behind DJ:
Booker T. & The MGs 
Melting Pot   Options       1:03:04 (Pop‑up)
Made to Break  Meccano Number 7 (for Julio Cortazar)   Options F4 Fake  Trost Records  2019  1:09:54 (Pop‑up)
Keefe Jackson's Project Project  Dragon Fly   Options Just Like This  Delmark  2007  1:23:26 (Pop‑up)
Matt Wilson Quartet  Why Can't We Be Friends?   Options That's Gonna Leave a Mark  Palmetto  2009  1:34:38 (Pop‑up)
J Mascis  Don't Do Me Like That   Options Don't Do Me Like That  Sub Pop  2019  1:38:45 (Pop‑up)
 
Music behind DJ:
Natural Food 
Fair Breeze on Buzzard's Bay   Options       1:40:59 (Pop‑up)
 
Engineered by Jan Erik Kongshaug (RIP)
Jan Garbarek  Fountain of Tears - Part I and II   Options SART  ECM  1971  1:47:15 (Pop‑up)
Terje Rypdal  Lontano II   Options Terje Rypdal  ECM  1971  1:53:24 (Pop‑up)
Paul Bley  Ida Lupino   Options Open, to Love  ECM  1973  1:58:29 (Pop‑up)
Bennie Maupin  Mappo   Options The Jewel in the Lotus  ECM  1974  2:05:01 (Pop‑up)
John Abercrombie  Red and Orange   Options Timeless  ECM  1975  2:12:34 (Pop‑up)
Old and New Dreams  Togo   Options Old and New Dreams  ECM  1979  2:17:17 (Pop‑up)
Jack DeJohnette  Dream Stalker   Options New Directions  ECM  1978  2:22:54 (Pop‑up)
John Clark  Silver Rain, Pt. III   Options Faces  ECM  1981  2:28:41 (Pop‑up)
Barre Phillips  Ingul-Buz   Options Three Day Moon  ECM  1978  2:34:42 (Pop‑up)
Bill Connors  Sad Hero   Options Theme to the Gaurdian  ECM  1975  2:38:32 (Pop‑up)
 
Music behind DJ:
Mouse on Mars 
Fantastic Analysis   Options       2:42:58 (Pop‑up)
Marshall Allen (feat. Roswell Rudd)  The Summoning   Options Ceremonial Healing  RareNoise Records  2019  2:50:21 (Pop‑up)
 
Music behind DJ:
Dudu Pukwana & Spear 
Flute Music   Options Flute Music  Caroline  1975  2:56:54 (Pop‑up)

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:00am fred:

Hello Jeff and listeners
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:00am holland oats:

yo d:o! peeps!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:01am Jeff Golick:

Welcome, @fred, welcome, @holland oats!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:03am ParUbi:

Good morning, exonauts!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 9:04am Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...never know when the WiFis will be on to steal in my trap
....always righteous to catch most of D.O. !
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:04am listener james from westwood:

Had a feeling we might be fêting that luminary today.
  Sun. 11/17/19 9:05am Doug Schulkind:

Sunday morning and my tatas are in a twist!
  Sun. 11/17/19 9:05am Doug Schulkind:

Speaking of a twist, I’ll be back after yoga.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:08am Jeff Golick:

Good morning to you, @ParUbi!
Steal away, @Revolution Rabbit Nov63!
@listener james knows what's up!
@Doug, twist away!
  Sun. 11/17/19 9:13am ?:

Gorgeous stuff, Jeff! Glad to be keeping the tributes to Jan Erik Kongshaug going during The Stork Club later today. Between us both we can only scratch the surface of this guy's output.
  Sun. 11/17/19 9:14am Stork:

oops! forgot to ID meself on that last comment. Helloooo, Outsters!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:15am Jeff Golick:

@Stork, my Sunday budday! Had a feeling that was you!
  Sun. 11/17/19 9:16am Stork:

None other, sadly... despite all the make-overs, i remain me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:25am ParUbi:

Is "Geometry" also "Geometry of Caves"?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:27am Jeff Golick:

Yes, it is! The quartet appears to have adopted "Geometry" as the group name.

(Remind me not to take my eye off of the decks in order to write a comment.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

…hopping aboard for the sonic journey with you! Greetings, Jeff and all d:O riders!
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:30am hyde:

gooooood morning
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:32am Jeff Golick:

Welcome aboard, @Granny Spicy Tuna!

What is up, @hyde? Good to see you!
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:34am hyde:

just lazin' around and listening to DO Radio
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:38am Jeff Golick:

Hey, me too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:39am WR:

Requesting permission to come aboard for Destination: OUT, sir.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:40am ParUbi:

Ooh, looks like that Geometry album comes out next month-- no wonder I couldn't find it. That track was delicious.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:41am Jeff Golick:

@WR, permission granted, and feel free to walk about the cabin.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:43am Jeff Golick:

@ParUbi, glad you liked it; I keep coming back to that record. (Probably shouldn't be jumping the gun like that, though.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:45am Jeff Golick:

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and declare Katarsis4 the greatest sax quartet to come out of Lithuania.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:51am ParUbi:

I have a fingernail's grip on Mandarin Chinese, but I was able to create a Xiami account for myself and clumsily explore the mainland Chinese jazz underground and make some penpals. There's apparently quite a scene in Beijing. I think fishing in distant or newly openned pools is so rewarding.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 9:51am coelacanth∅:

good morning Jeff, OUTies
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:52am Jeff Golick:

WOW, @ParUbi, that sounds cool as hell.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:52am Jeff Golick:

Greets, @coelacanth∅!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:54am ParUbi:

Here's one guy I remember: 李鐵橋
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:55am ParUbi:

The characters google fairly well lol
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 9:57am coelacanth∅:

those characters bring many results on duckduckgo, none of which i know what to do with!
- except some youboob videos for later
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 9:58am ParUbi:

I have to make that switch to duckduckgo, with Google's "don't be evil" becoming such a joke
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 9:59am coelacanth∅:

that's awesome you could do that though,PU -like knowing the secret password for a club
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:01am Linda Lee:

hello! love these beautiful sounds on a grey November day!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:02am ParUbi:

It really felt like it too. I had to set up a VPN for streaming through Xiami. It was about as hacker as I've ever been.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:03am Jeff Golick:

@Linda Lee!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:03am Linda Lee:

hi Jeff! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:04am coelacanth∅:

i think i could only learn another language by being immersed. i've tried the formal way with no success but picked up phrases fairly easily around friends and family.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:04am ParUbi:

Hi Linda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:05am Linda Lee:

hi ParUbi! :-) what's that image?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:06am WR:

Time flies, Ware transitioned in 2012.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:06am ParUbi:

Haha, it's just some logs poking out of the water with an overcast sky reflected.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:07am Linda Lee:

wow! i was guessing someone had painted some wood chunks against a sky. very cool.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:08am fred:

There have been a few Chinese people applying for jobs at work, but sadly it's not possible because of visa denial issues. The Man is worried about them stealing our business secrets. But if contemporary music is so big economically, how come funding is so scarce?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:11am Linda Lee:

Jeff, your whole show gives me food i didn't know i was hungry for. thanks! :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:11am ParUbi:

It cheers me to know, however, that there are experimental weirdos all over the world. So, with all the tension between our governments, there are just a load of freaks who want to connect.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:12am Jeff Golick:

@Linda Lee, that warms my heart.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:13am Linda Lee:

happy to do so! that warms mine! :-D
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:13am duke:

Hello Jeff and everyone
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:13am Jeff Golick:

Hey there, @duke!
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:14am davefromtoronto:

this show is like a delicious meal but i have to finish the
brussel sprouts to get dessert...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:15am Linda Lee:

@ParUbi ~ 'course, the big boys in charge know no nationality ~ so these governments all connect on some level as well!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:15am Jeff Golick:

Belatedly: I totally cosign the move AWAY from Google and to something like Duck Duck Go, which I have made my default search engine on all devices. I've been reading a book called THE AGE OF SURVEILLANCE CAPITALISM (Mark Hurst had the author on his show several months back), and it's blowing my mind.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:16am Jeff Golick:

(of course, there is also google maps, gmail, google drive, etc. to worry about.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:16am Linda Lee:

refer to comment above. :-D
it's madness to expect our new world to function like a 20th century place. heads up kids!
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:17am hyde:

google is the worst
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:17am Jeff Golick:

Hi, @davefromtoronto! What are the Brussels sprouts? What is dessert?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:18am Linda Lee:

i don't think we've found the means for active resistance quite yet, but some of us are working on it.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:18am hyde:

my favorite description of Google came from an ex exec there who called it "an advertising company with a lot of expensive hobbies"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:19am Linda Lee:

ha!! good one.
nice looking avatar ya got there, hyde!
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:19am davefromtoronto:

the brussel sprouts are usually the crazy sax solos - the rest is
all dessert!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:19am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

oh, yeah, Linda Lee, some of us are working on it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:20am Linda Lee:

oh dear. here come the Lesspeyuns..
good morning hon!
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:22am hyde:

@Linda thanks! it's a pic of my long gone one-eyed cat Satu
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:22am Linda Lee:

a special cat for sure. i can tell.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:23am hyde:

she was one of the greats
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:23am coelacanth∅:

i like brussels sprouts if they're done well. i Love David S Ware.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:23am Linda Lee:

there's something about those black cats..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:24am ParUbi:

@Coel-- I've been teaching myself Chinese with an app for years now. I've discovered that I'm forgetting the language as the same rate that I'm learning it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:25am Linda Lee:

@ParUbi ~ is that due to lack of conversational practice?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:25am doctorjazz:

Hello assembled Outies!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:26am coelacanth∅:

oh ParUbi that's excellent! ...and terrible!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:26am Linda Lee:

hey dj! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:27am Jeff Golick:

Yo, @doctorjazz!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:27am Linda Lee:

my god look at that ram! almost a traditional symbol all by hisself!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:28am WR:

I couldn't tell when it transitioned to next tune until the trombones took over. Both tunes are out with swinging pulse.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:28am fred:

Yet there is a positive side to google knowing all about me: very ambiguous searches do come up with tour date for bands. Duck Duck Go doesn't find these. And I guess my search history is so specific that google doesn't bother showing me adds anymore
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:28am ParUbi:

@Linda-- Exactly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:29am Linda Lee:

so you can absorb, but the brain's missing the habit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:30am Jeff Golick:

@fred: that is indeed the trade-off. Whether google "knowing" you is a good thing or not is perhaps just a personal preference.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:32am Linda Lee:

me, i'd prefer they didn't, if i can pick up the slack myself ~ ony because there's absolutely no way of knowing how your tracking information is being used & by whom. all *kinds* of folks who are interested in how you think & will pay to know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:33am coelacanth∅:

oh and @10.11 it's a great discovery. it's always come out in bits but over the last couple of years i've heard so much way-the-fuck out there music from far away lands, a lot of which was made decades ago, when my mind imagined such an ocean (pun intended!) between our worlds.
...yes a like little mycelium networks eventually stretching out to meet each-other and create a huge mycelium of freaks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:33am Linda Lee:

it's not what you buy, for example, but how. behavioral stuff. the way you make connections & process information. the way you communicate & with whom..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:33am fred:

My take is using/training google for music/work searches, and using Duck Duck Go for more personal things. I get tailored results when I need them (though I still haven't managed to get google to give me info about the Korean/Japanese band 01)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:35am Linda Lee:

i think we can pretty much assume that we're all engaged in the development of AI now. so: behavioral stuff.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:35am hyde:

there's a fascinating WSJ article on Friday that details how Google engineers chose to alter the search algorithms so that it favored big businesses over smaller ones
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:35am doctorjazz:

Cool set!
(Reminds me...Maria Schneider will be playing in a few weeks, like hearing new big bands)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:36am Linda Lee:

@hyde, i'll bet that's super basic stuff by now.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:36am hyde:

another cool factoid in that piece was that Google made $116 billion in advertising revenue in just the last year
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:37am fred:

I should add that I'm pretty paranoid, with many email addresses and browser settings. I'll have to bring that down a notch because I ran into more issues than usual during the October fundraiser
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:37am doctorjazz:

Got to see simmering I've wanted to catch forages Friday, David Grisman. Still Got his chops (and he's very cute).
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:39am Linda Lee:

the worst part of this is, there's just no way to opt out at this point. not really, if you communicate at all with anyone else on earth. so resistance will probably involve engagement, not ghosting.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:40am hyde:

@Linda Lee yep
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:41am Jeff Golick:

@LL: have you read this Zuboff book?
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:41am hyde:

hmmmm, when i used to see J Mascis play drums in Deep Wound at the Greenfield Grange i would never have imagined thirty plus years later there'd be this
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:41am Linda Lee:

i haven't, but i do think i've heard him interviewed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:41am ParUbi:

This is another guy who was really active in the Chinese underground music community-- he's well known enough here now to have a bandcamp article about him! daily.bandcamp.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:41am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

right on, Linda Lee! (and, hi! i was distracted by some secret Lesspeyun conspiracy there)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:42am Linda Lee:

good for you, Granny! :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:42am fred:

@Linda Lee: Nothing new there: engagement gets more results than passivity
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:43am Linda Lee:

well said, fred.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:44am Linda Lee:

i'm thinking passivity isn't even an option!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:44am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

yeah, fred (and hi!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

that was a fun cover of Petty
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:45am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

yes, all us exhibitionistic accuchatters need a few accuvoyeurs to confound
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:45am Linda Lee:

actually thought it *was* an older Petty!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:46am Linda Lee:

accuvoyeurs!! good one!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

LL: that thought crossed my mind, too!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:47am Linda Lee:

real similar vocal phrasing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

and, hey! all you lurking peepers, i dare you to jump in and say howdy at anytime, it's always a treat to get a fresh opinion around here
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:49am WR:

This Made to Break tune is the first Vandermark project that I've heard I wanted to know and hear more. Always respected his playing but that cut, particularly the electronics with the saxophone swinging outstanding for my taste.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:49am Stanley:

Howdy!
But fresh opinion? You'll be lucky!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:49am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

it's always worth a try, Stanley!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:50am fleep:

Howdy! My opinions are worthless.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:50am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i'll settle for moist opinion
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:50am Jeff Golick:

@hyde @ 10:41 - HA!

@LL: Zuboff (a she, btw) was on Mark Hurst's show, a good listen: www.wfmu.org...
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:51am John from Florham park:

@Geanny I don’t know if this is a fresh opinion but I am digging the sounds in here
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

And there it IS!!! fleeeeeeeeeep!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:51am coelacanth∅:

ParUbi i've got some bookmarked, Thanks

when i searched before i entered "李鐵橋 jazz" and got a few music videos. i just took off the "jazz" and very different results. i still don't know what they mean though!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:51am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

JfFP: [secret handshake]
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:51am Linda Lee:

ah yes. right! thanks.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:52am coelacanth∅:

fleep! yours too?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:52am Jeff Golick:

How do, @Stanley! You're as fresh as they come.
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:52am John from Florham park:

@Granny back atcha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:52am ParUbi:

@Coel-- This is the evil of Google again, but Google translate is pretty useful with this kind of thing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:53am Jeff Golick:

@fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep! Let us be the judge of that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:53am Jeff Golick:

Good morning, @John from Florham park!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:53am Linda Lee:

so therein is our problem, ParUbi..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:54am coelacanth∅:

it's true duckduckgo doesn't do the translation thing well
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:54am WR:

I too admit no awareness of Kongshaug before now. There is an interview as reference link on his wikipedia page that is very interesting, modest guy or keeping his technique to himself, hmmmm. Wondering if Marion Brown ECM recording is on your list for today.
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:54am John from Florham park:

@Jeff morning back
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:55am hyde:

but wait if fleep's opinions are worthless then isn't fleep's opinion on his opinions being worthless in itself worthless
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:55am Linda Lee:

i'm not sure we've ever known a more insidious danger to our common well being ~ because this one works from the inside, on what appears to be a voluntary basis.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:56am hyde:

(or hers)
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:56am John from Florham park:

@granny
@linda lee what is this secret conspiracy you are talking about:)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:57am Jeff Golick:

Hey, @WR, that Brown is an all-timer, but I don't think Kongshaug worked on that one - was recorded in NYC.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:57am Linda Lee:

you mean the Lesspeyuns? heck they're everywhere!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:57am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

JfFp: most men would like to know and very few would understand :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:57am Jeff Golick:

Kongshaug NYTimes obit: www.nytimes.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:57am coelacanth∅:

and on my laptop gobble maps is far better than ddg's; but that might be a preferences thing i can change.
usually i just pull up a map on duckduckgo and find the route myself... almost the old-fashioned way; rather than let gobble make my route, and know my whereabouts
  Sun. 11/17/19 10:58am John from Florham park:

@Granny ha ha ha
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:59am doctorjazz:

Ida Lupino, no?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 10:59am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

coelacanth∅: yeah, it's worth the adjustment, even if we've been acclimated to the relative convenience of gobble. What price this convenience?!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 10:59am coelacanth∅:

hyde, good point. i don't think we should believe him;
his opinions are not worthless...
Avatar Sun. 11/17/19 11:00am Stork:

Terje Rypdal's music can be skeery!! I've got one by TR coming up on The Stork Club. The "brief" tribute I had planned has grown like a magic beanstalk since this morning - it's now a rather lengthy affair, and I'm still discovering more - so I do hope you're diggin' the Kongshaug. Ooh! Bley!! Yay!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:00am doctorjazz:

My playlist doesn't seem to Havre it listed (it's or of sync with the audio)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:00am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fleep is our accuherder, i shall not rant
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:01am Jeff Golick:

Human error, @doc!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:01am doctorjazz:

Now it's there..weird.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:01am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

oh this Paul Bley is lovely
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:02am WR:

Be very careful with Gogg translation. I have several Chinese co-workers and when I use the machine translation for their social media sometimes it is really bizarre and if we weren't able check due to their being fairly fluent in English, major misunderstanding could result.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:02am doctorjazz:

Always did love this tune (Ida Lupino, that is)
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:02am hyde:

i've got an Ida Lupino film (The Hitchhiker, a good one) playing in the background on TCM right now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:03am doctorjazz:

Carla wrote it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:03am Linda Lee:

Granny, i'm seeing a society packed into a speeding car on a winding cliffside road & we're thinkin' about learning to steer!
'course it's a driverless car.
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:04am John from Florham park:

Oh and earlier you were all talking about Chinese jazz players too bad there is the Great Wall of China that you can’t hear stations like this
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:04am Linda Lee:

yes it's taking us places .. but, but..
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:05am WR:

RE: the Marion Brown "Faun..." date, wow, misinformed since 1970 I have been.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:05am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

Linda Lee: worry not, if we go over the edge it's usually a soft landing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:07am Jeff Golick:

I may be wrong about that, @WR, as this Maupin was also recorded in NYC so who knows. Those very early ECMs were not overseen by Either, I believe; he was given tapes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:07am Linda Lee:

ah! so it's safe to jump out early!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:07am Jeff Golick:

(Eicher, for Either above.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

oh, i was thinking of the secret society!!!! hee hee!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:08am Linda Lee:

oh!! hahaha!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:08am doctorjazz:

Didn't get to the ECM tribute, (Jazz at Lincoln Center), heard from someone there it was great.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:08am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

as famous Lesspeyun wannabe, David Lee Roth, said, "Might as well jump."
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:09am doctorjazz:

Though the rumor was that Eicher had some health issues
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:09am Linda Lee:

was he? outed!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:12am WR:

Linda Lee @11:03, more problematic is that it appears driverless but several major forces are trying to control and are eyeing us as potential fuel rather than passengers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:12am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

WR: astute observation indeed
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:12am Linda Lee:

sure! someone created the damn thing & put us in it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:14am Linda Lee:

absolutely right on.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:14am fred:

For a while I regularly annoyed DJs asking them to name who engineered their live sets. Until one influential DJ told me it was disrespectful to DJs, and to stop or else, so I stopped
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:16am Jeff Golick:

That is lame, @fred. Unusual, too, in my experience, as most DJs I know are all too eager to credit the engineer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:16am Linda Lee:

'stop or else' ..? who's in charge here, Al Capone? :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:16am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

so we disrespect engineers instead? huh?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:16am Jeff Golick:

(to be clear: lame that you were told it was disrespectful.)
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:17am John from Florham park:

@WR more like Soylent green
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:18am doctorjazz:

This Abercrombe is great fusion!
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:19am hyde:

i bought this Old and New Dreams when it came out. so great.
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:20am Doug Schulkind:

Blackwell on this piece!
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:21am Doug Schulkind:

Sounds like three or four percussionists. Breathtaking.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:21am doctorjazz:

Great band!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:22am Jeff Golick:

And the Drummer hisself emerges!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:22am fred:

His point was the DJ made things happen, he'd credit the engineer if they did a good enough job. But that call is his, not a mere listener's
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:22am Linda Lee:

beautiful work.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:23am doctorjazz:

He managed to get New Orleans feel initio 3a free jazz context.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:23am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i have a friend who is a union light designer and the thanks she gets. oy, when she does her job well, no one notices
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:25am coelacanth∅:

fred, that "influential" dj sounds like an arrogant schmuck
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:26am Linda Lee:

sort of like a midwife, isn't she! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:27am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

LL: let's see how far influential DJs get without compotent engineers, and how mana gala events succeed without proper lighting
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:28am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

*many
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:28am Linda Lee:

even better yet, let's not! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:29am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

let's just credit each other for our work and leave the egos in the nap room
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:29am Linda Lee:

right on!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:30am Jeff Golick:

Rare jazz French horn here, via John Clark.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:31am doctorjazz:

You could do many shows never leaving the ECM catalog!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:32am fred:

@GST: I think you can tell the most crucial jobs by how you only notice them when they mess up. Like foundation, you expect them to be there, until they're not, and then you're in trouble
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:32am Jeff Golick:

Yeah, ECM is sort of squeezing out my planned Roswell Rudd nod.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:34am Jeff Golick:

@fred/@GST: I'm a book editor. I brought home a book I'd worked on recently, and showed by daughter. She asked, "Is your name in it?" When I said no, she lost all interest.
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:36am Doug Schulkind:

I believe Stork will be paying tribute to the “ECM sound” on the Stork Club, coming up next on the Drummer Stream.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:36am WR:

Damnit Jeff, you and the GTD stream commentors have done it again, I had planned to finish some work reports this morning and while I'm reading the NYT obit the wife says, when are we going to start making lunch and my work laptop was never opened. Another lovely Sunday morning with D:O.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:37am Jeff Golick:

YES! You're...welcome, @WR?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:38am fred:

@Jeff: At least she's still showing interest in whether your name is in it, not hers. Count your blessings
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:39am doctorjazz:

You've actually never left 1970s ECM.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:39am Jeff Golick:

And YES: The Stork Club, up at the top of the hour, digs deeper into that Kongshaug Konception: wfmu.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:40am Jeff Golick:

@doc: yeah, made kind of a conscious decision to mine that period.
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:44am Doug Schulkind:

Drummer Stream 10th anniversary is coming up next summer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:45am doctorjazz:

I hadn't heard he passed (what happens when you sleep in, just saw the obit).
It's interesting how things/opinions change over time. The ECM sound, now pretty much universally praised, earlyon was criticized often for being "dry".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:46am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

yay, a decade of my favorite stream! By gum, i hope to be the one to adopt this stream next year, when fleep's turn ends
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:46am fred:

@Doug: so the dreaded teen years are soon coming upon us (well, you)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:47am doctorjazz:

Almost went for the adoption myself this year...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:48am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

doctorjazz: i tried, but that cunning fleep was too stealth and swift for me!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:49am doctorjazz:

Got to see Old and New Dreams, and once a duet of Blackwell and Cherry in a dive bar in the East Village.
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:50am alanr:

Thank you for including the 84th birthday man, Roswell!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:51am doctorjazz:

Great Show (as usual), Jeff, thanks!
(Rudd was great!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:51am Linda Lee:

once there were dive bars packed with magic!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:51am fred:

You won't get competition from me. I take adoption way too seriously (my brother and sister were adopted). But you can fall back to a worthy show like this one
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:52am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

fred: i was adopted, too <3
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:52am Jeff Golick:

You bet, @alanr! Glad you are here for it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:53am Jeff Golick:

(@Doug: we should start planning the 10th bday party soon...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:53am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

i take WFMU seriously, but fleep is another matter entirely! :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:54am fred:

What does it tell about the station that instead of dreading the next marathon, we're planning for it months in advance?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:54am Linda Lee:

thanks so much for a beautiful show, Jeff! perfect!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:54am Jeff Golick:

My absolute pleasure, @LL!
  Sun. 11/17/19 11:55am davefromtoronto:

great show jeff - even the brussel sprouts tasted good!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:55am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

this Allen track is magnificent
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:56am Jeff Golick:

Yay, @davefromtoronto!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 11:56am Linda Lee:

it helps if the sprouts are fresh & well cooked. :-)
Avatar 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:57am hyde:

thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:57am fleep:

Cunning fleep just made himself a kugel while inspired by the ECM set. Full credit to the noodlemaker, Manischewitz. And GST, next year, this baby's yours, if we get the adoption board to play ball.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:58am fred:

Brussel sprouts are off limits for me (blood thinners) but this show is what I need!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:58am Granny Spicy Tuna (they/them):

oh, we must be OUT. Thanks, Jeff and folx!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:58am listener james from westwood:

Lovely stuff for a gloomy Sunday—thanks, Jeff!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:58am doctorjazz:

(Over time I've been able to listen with my wife around without headphones (you've helped, Jeff). Even went t to see BassDrumBone with me (wouldn't say she loved it, though...)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:59am fleep:

Thanks, Jeff!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 11:59am fred:

Thanks Jeff!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Sun. 11/17/19 12:00pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Jeff! Excellent as always!
take care
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Sun. 11/17/19 12:03pm Jeff Golick:

Thank YOU, @GST, @ljfw, @doc, @fleep, @fred, and @coel and all who lurk just out of sight!
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