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Above by Tommy Siegel, Dec 2018


This week: station manager Ken Freedman, on the year ahead in tech

Recent News

• Happy New Year! Here's how to delete online accounts you no longer need (Consumer Reports, Dec 27).

• As I mentioned on Tech Pie this morning on Wake & Bake, Zuckerberg-funded researchers are testing a neural device on primates, the "wireless artifact-free neuromodulation device," or WAND. A mind-reading, muscle-controlling device. In 2017, re this BBC piece (19 April 2017), Zuck announced his goal for Facebook users to "share a pure thought or feeling" straight from a neural device. "We're working on a system that will let you type straight from your brain."

Artificial intelligence turns brain activity into speech (Science magazine, Jan 2): Scientists "analyzed recordings from the auditory cortex as patients heard recordings of people naming digits from zero to nine. The computer then reconstructed the spoken numbers from neural data alone." In another case, "A microphone captured their voices as they read single-syllable words aloud. Meanwhile, electrodes recorded [a patient's] brain's speech planning areas and motor areas" as the patient read individual words. "The network mapped electrode readouts to the audio recordings, and then reconstructed words from [the] brain data."

Deepfakes: How a new technology is being used to put women’s faces on porn stars’ bodies (Washington Post video, Dec 30, 2018): quote from Robert Chesney, U. Texas School of Law. See also the companion article from Dec 30.

....In "smart tech" news......


Above: "We live in a world where our toothbrushes request microphone access." -Will Scott, Jan 5, 2018


And from superhero actor Chris Evans.......



DNA-testing company 23andMe has signed a $300 million deal with a drug giant (July 2018): "The pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline announced it was acquiring a $300 million stake in 23andMe." Writes David Golumbia on Jan 5, 2019: "When you buy products from 23andme etc, one of the many destructive things you are doing is *paying* to give big pharma incredibly valuable information about you--and your relatives and others who didn't consent."

.....and finally, from our friends at the TSA.....



"TSA has an app claiming to tell you the wait times at airport security. Here are the permissions it requires." -Dan Gillmor, Jan 6, 2019


For discussion with station manager Ken

How Hackers Bypass Gmail 2FA at Scale (Vice/Motherboard, Dec 19, 2018): "A new Amnesty International report goes into some of the technical details around how hackers can automatically phish two-factor authentication tokens sent to phones." See also last week's conversation with Matt Haughey about password managers and other security issues.

A slashed tire, a pointed gun, bullies on the road (AZ Central, Dec 11, 2018): Arizona man draws gun on self-driving vehicle.

A smart toilet promises a ‘fully-immersive experience’ (The Verge, Jan 6): "an 'intelligent toilet' with built-in surround sound speakers, ambient mood lighting, and Amazon Alexa voice controls" - who's ready to record bathroom audio to send to Amazon HQ? Get ready to flush $7,000.

Black Mirror: Bandersnatch could become Netflix's secret marketing weapon (The Verge, Jan 2): "The greatest advantage lies in the data Netflix can gather from user participation and the ways that data could be used to create an internal programmatic marketing infrastructure." Plot choices in the interactive show are presented for "data harvesting."

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:00pm Rich in Washington:

Hullo, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:00pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techteologists
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:01pm queems:

hello there
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:01pm listener james from westwood:

Evening Mark, Ken, and all!!
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:01pm melinda:

Hi everyone
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:02pm herb.nyc:

I am ready to have my Tetons shifted!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:02pm Michael 98145:

2019 is go
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:02pm geezerette:

Howdy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:02pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Can I get a smart radio? Never mind, this is it right here!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Hello 'tonix!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:03pm Bas NL:

Mark! Techtonic friends!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:03pm TDK60:

Semi-analog straggler catchin' up here..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:03pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, Mark & all!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:03pm dale:

hello dere.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:04pm Lanceromance02:

im a vinyl fan too but what about the environmental hazards of plastics?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:04pm Michael 98145:

i was appalled to discover over the holidays how many of my relatives thought having an Alexa in their house was ... normal.
cripes.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:04pm melinda:

I had some climate anxiety today but most of the time I feel optimistic about 2019.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:05pm northguineahills:

@Michael: same here.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:05pm geezerette:

Michael, eeeeeeeeek!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:05pm Beast of Boonton:

Hi Mark and SM Ken - Happy 'high-tech' New Year!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:05pm Michael 98145:

yes. hi ya, gz'ette!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:06pm Rand al'Thor:

Made it here in time. Hello, all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Looks like we're approaching "jacking in" from your news stories.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:06pm dale:

gonna have a vodka and techtonic.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm melinda:

@Michael yikes.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm listener james from westwood:

Re: the Chris Evans tweet: Did he never try to get an early-90s computer and printer to work together?!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm annie:

hehe, i have wine glass full of malbec
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm -Ken:

Hi everybody
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm Greg from ZONE 5:

The airbnb I stayed in this weekend had an Alexa. It was super fun to play with and yell at for a couple days (and make it play FMU)…but you couldn't pay me to have one in my home.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:07pm geezerette:

Halloooo, Michae!
And Techbuddies!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:08pm queems:

hello there sm ken
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:08pm annie:

KEN!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:08pm geezerette:

Cheers.Dale!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:08pm queems:

are those baby carrots in a remote
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:08pm Beast of Boonton:

Yay, SM Ken is not a bot today!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:09pm Bas NL:

Best wishes for the new year SM Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

Keep that MySpace account! I'm sure it's going to come back! #securitythroughobscurity
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:09pm Michael 98145:

- looks like we better be careful what we do in front of our toilet -
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

2019 has not been kind to the station's Green Room.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:10pm chris:

hi, Mark and Ken and techknowledgables.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:11pm Rand al'Thor:

I'm a glistener, even though I rarely have time to be on chat.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:12pm annie:

i was convinced to try the DDGo browser and RSS feed.. well.... nope... way too busy and flashy; considered it deleted.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:12pm melinda:

Hi Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:13pm Bas NL:

IoM Internet of Monkeys.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:13pm dale:

i saw today that google saved $3.7 BILLION in taxes by shuffling money between ireland, the netherlands and bermuda. wish i could do that.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:13pm TDK60:

No matter how positive I might be, this "wand" gizmo gives me the negatives.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm ultradamno:

Well it will give fingers a much needed rest.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm melinda:

A device straight from creepytown
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm dale:

i like 'wanda' better than just wand.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm queems:

well i don't like this one bit
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm Sean d:

I think I got one installed!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:15pm Webhamster Henry:

As a guy whose app is used by people with severe disabilities, I'd like to know more about the "WAND" technology. I also have a totally unrelated "Wond" device. voinventions.com
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:16pm Sam:

Anyone working on trying to read our thoughts in any way shape or form needs to be arrested immediately!! So evil and so unacceptable!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:16pm ultradamno:

Somehow this ends with talking cats and I do not want that.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:17pm queems:

I HATE IT
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:17pm Bas NL:

It sounds a bit like those old ESP recordings..
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:17pm JakeGould:

Hey Mark. Important information here about teens and texting. i66.tinypic.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:18pm Sean d:

I had a Wada test on my brain, I couldn't talk
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:18pm queems:

@sean d what exactly were they doing in there?
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:18pm Sam:

Talking cats? No this ends with us as complete slaves in a dystopian dictatorship. Good luck resisting when they can read your thoughts.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:18pm geezerette:

Webhamster, people with ALS, etc., could really benefit in a variety of ways.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:19pm dale:

what if this could let people in comas or with traumatic brain injuries communicate with us - huh? HUH?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:19pm ultradamno:

I foresee a future text alerts starting with "your disgruntled spouse is now thinking:"
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:19pm dale:

cat's would order us to clean up after their poo and tinkle.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:20pm CeeDub:

I was a pretty early adopter in May of 08 but never used my real name and never liked anything related to commerce. deleted my Facebook and don't miss it at all
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:20pm Sam:

People in comas say the darndest things
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:20pm Michael 98145:

" sent from iBrain "
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:21pm TDK60:

I can see the medical possibility there, but it should be strictly kept to that.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:21pm geezerette:

McChesney.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:21pm Sam:

If we could hear what everyone was really thinking about us at all times I think everyone would kill themselves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:22pm ultradamno:

Sam, you know you're describing the talking cats world with talk of being "complete slaves in a dystopian dictatorship"
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The CES has it covered, dale. www.cnet.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:22pm Sean d:

They were taking out some tumor that was growing back, took it out my left temple
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:22pm Webhamster Henry:

Yes, we would be living in a world of YouTube comments.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:23pm Bas NL:

We'd need some 'good manners' algorithm to not speak ones mind all the time..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:24pm queems:

@sean d WOW hope you heal up soon!
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:24pm Sam:

Password managers are less cool than McDonalds managers.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:24pm listener james from westwood:

THANK YOU KEN I thought I was the only one leery of those one-password outfits.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:24pm melinda:

Things like wand are both potentially life-changing for the disabled and creepy.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:25pm JakeGould:

All tech is neutral. The use and misuse is the issue. And data regulation is the key.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:25pm JakeGould:

Use abstract art collages to store your passwords.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:25pm Sean d:

@queems! Thanks! i do feel better!
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:25pm Sam:

Take a phrase you remember and change a few letters. Like “Awl dawgs goo to heather”
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm Jeff Moore:

Whatever system you use to keep track of your passwords... you should never ever reuse any single password for multiple sites.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm dale:

ken from hp - my fat cats couldn't get up in there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm queems:

password12345
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm liXiviated life:

Absolutely agree with SMK.
Be your own cypher
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm Webhamster Henry:

I used some Serbian word variations for a few years, but now, every site gets its own email login and its own password. I have hundreds of them.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:26pm melinda:

Coming up with your own passwords isn't that hard and if you have a written list they don't have to be rememberable.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:27pm JakeGould:

Come up with a scheme and always use 2 factor authentication.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:27pm Webhamster Henry:

If there are security questions, don't answer them correctly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:28pm Michael 98145:

hehe, i thought JakeG was referencing Art Colleges ...

:)
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:28pm geezerette:

ha!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm queems:

welp time for my first weekly panic attack
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm JakeGould:

@Michael98145: Typo! I always hire undergrads in art school to remember my passwords.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm Robert Tables:

I use a locally-installed (on my computer) password manager like KeePass to generate and store random passwords for each of my accounts. It's encrypted with a master password generated by Diceware: www.diceware.com. That master password is committed to my memory only.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm Jeff Moore:

Two-factor via text message seems iffy; I'm not super confident about the security of mobile networks.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm liXiviated life:

Dump your gmail and yahoo
Try protonmail.com
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm JakeGould:

Does anyone remember how in the old days of BBSes you would be asked for your mother’s maiden name? Oh how quaint!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

Do 2FA with telegraphy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:30pm Michael 98145:

those undergrads would be most appreciative
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:30pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I had a dream last night where I was on the phone with a scammer and was trying to avoid saying "Yes" to answer any questions.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm dale:

i had little citizens communications for internet so had a citlink acount. then frontier took them over. and now they switched the mail server to yahoo. do i need to worry about having yahoo mail even though my email ends with 'citlink.net?'
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm Robert Tables:

@Jeff Moore, SMS is wholly insecure (SIM swapping, SS7 vulnerabilities). When given the option, I'd prefer email delivery over SMS, assuming nothing better is available.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm annie:

i've been using yahoo email since forever, i change my PW regularly, and you coulnd't pay me to opne a google account anything
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm Sam:

My favorite is when the IRS says you owe money, and they want it paid in amazon gift cards. And people believe it.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm dale:

well, probably all men have porn activity so they have half a chance of success.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:31pm queems:

all of this black mirror shit is over my head
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:32pm Johnzon:

I have a question for you guys. Ive deactivated my facebook and instagram. I will go on facebook occasionally, for instance when a friend died or if there's something I need to do that can only be done through fb. if I only use it a couple times a year... what's better about deleting it permanently. Don't get me wrong I want to eventually. Just looking for your opinion on deletion vs. deactivation and a related question: what do you think are the odds of facebook one day, prospectively under a more enlightened government, being regulated/becoming a more consumer friendly less creepy version of itself or even a public utility?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:32pm Webhamster Henry:

I'm actually in the middle of it - it's hard to go through all the paths!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:32pm Rand al'Thor:

Still haven't seen Bandersnatch. Black Mirror fan, but that episode and the multi-branching style doesn't interest me.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm JakeGould:

“Choose Your Own Adventure”
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm dale:

bandersnatch was my first viewing of black mirror and i have no will to watch any more, but i'll give it another shot if ken says so.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm Webhamster Henry:

My son writes visual novels, which are a lot like the old Adventure Games that Bandersnatch is like.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm Jeff Moore:

To echo what @Webhamster Henry said: don't use any actual genuine biographical info for security questions (because that stuff can be looked up). Make up different and untrue answers for each vendor, and keep track of them in whatever your personal password safe approach is.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm JakeGould:

@Johnzon: Do whatever you want. I think deactivating is fine.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:33pm chad from oregon:

Always good to hear Ken. Also always good to hear? Klam!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:34pm Webhamster Henry:

There is a whole world of visual novels!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm Rich in Washington:

If one were to construct one show from the most common choices, it's a rather lackluster Black Mirror episode. I think the music geek aspect sucked me in so much, but it seems like the choices don't affect the outcome that much. I did get to a fairly satisfactory - albeit characteristic downer - ending.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm Rand al'Thor:

I've played some visual novels.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm melinda:

@Jeff I enjoy making up fake answers
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm geezerette:

Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" is the earliest description of nteractivity I can think of.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm dale:

i like the episode where all decisions lead to station manager ken getting raped by a bear.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:35pm Michael 98145:

@Jeff, i am enjoying filling big data lakes with fake birthdays
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:36pm Rich in Washington:

but then I also never really liked choose-your-own-adventure book OR computer games.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:36pm annie:

"Bandersnatch" was boring to me
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:36pm Webhamster Henry:

A lot of visual novel choices aren't very consequential.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:36pm queems:

i don't like to make decisions, that's why i watch television
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:36pm Adam West Coaster:

@dale, Bandersnatch was beyond awful! As stated, by Mark and Ken, the series as a whole offers so much! Once again, Bandersnatch was such a snooze!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:37pm geezerette:

I worry about this corporate war on imagination.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:37pm JakeGould:

If you want an exciting “Choose Your Own Adventure” just go to a restaurant you have never been too and order food you have never ordered.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:37pm melinda:

I generally avoid dystopian "entertainment".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:37pm ultradamno:

I was disappointed the explanation of Netflix wasn't "we mail people damaged DVDs for rental".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:37pm Jeff Moore:

@Robert Tables: I trust Google Authenticator as a second factor much more than nonsense involving SMS.

If you're allergic to anything with Google in the name, just look for another TOTP client. My friend Bennett speaks highly of andOTP:

github.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm Webhamster Henry:

It's kind of meta in a hit-you-over-the-head way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm Robert Tables:

I really liked the 90's LucasArts adventure games (Monkey Island, Day of the Tentacle, Grim Fandango).
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm JakeGould:

“Dragon’s Lair” is an interactive narrative if you think about it. www.youtube.com...
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm dale:

ultradamno - HAH! blockbuster anyway....
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm liXiviated life:

I totally remember that
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm Johnzon:

Run Lola Run was pretty good
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:38pm Michael 98145:

there were tv films that were blue at the top (for sky) and yellow and green below
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm geezerette:

Jake & Melinda, agree with you both.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm liXiviated life:

Once I just drew on true screen.
Mom was not happy
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm queems:

@melinda same
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm dale:

i read it only worked on playstation and those kinds of things. roku was unresponsive.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm northguineahills:

What about the movie Clue?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:39pm JakeGould:

And “Space Ace” www.youtube.com...
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:40pm TDK60:

I'll put an old cassette on, and read a book.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:40pm ultradamno:

I recall the CD Roms The Residents put out, like Bad Day On The Midway as superior examples of interactive storytelling (though probably more morbid than Bandersnatch)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:40pm Webhamster Henry:

My son is a Witcher & sequels player. Also a huge Clue fan.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:40pm Robert Tables:

@Jeff Moore, I'm using this for iOS: github.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:40pm Rich in Washington:

@ultradamno: "What's a DVD?"
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:41pm JakeGould:

The “Star Wars∏” series can be considered a narrative with different choices.

• You can just watch the 1977 film and never see the sequels.
• You can watch all of the original trilogy films and that’s that.
• You can accept or reject the prequels.
• You can accept or reject the sequels.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:41pm Webhamster Henry:

Bandersnatch: I chose "no" in the tutorial section in the beginning, but it ran the show anyway.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:41pm Rich in Washington:

The Residents were always so ahead of the curve that they ran into consumer product's short life cycle/built-in obsolescence.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm liXiviated life:

All I want to do is watch the tv.
Don’t they pay writers to come up with the story?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm dale:

there used to be a lens type thing you set up in front of a black and white tv to give an r/g/b simulation of color.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm Robert Tables:

@JakeGould, can I reject both the prequels and sequels?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm Rich in Washington:

I don't want to be immersed in the toilet. Ever.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm queems:

this is peak 2019
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:42pm geezerette:

haha, yuck!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm herb.nyc:

remember when Archie Bunker had a heated toilet seat idea?
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm Mandy:

I thought the first "immersive" toilet experience was a middle school swirly
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm Webhamster Henry:

America wants to know: will Koehler have a corresponding Industrial Musical?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm dale:

does it analyze your poo for health reasons?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm herb.nyc:

will the smart toilet check my prostate?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:43pm Robert Tables:

I'll bet that toilet clogs frequently.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm listener james from westwood:

"Hey, Alexa"
"Yes?"
::emits 47-second chili fart::
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm Bas NL:

*fart*
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm JakeGould:

Immersive reality bus ride to teach you about the Holocaust and civil rights: “They’ll be able to ask Martin Luther King, Jr., all kinds of questions.” www.brooklynpaper.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm Michael 98145:

Onan two point oh
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm queems:

i want some rando in seattle to hear my toilet songs
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm Mandy:

it will actually help you when you've Fallen and Can't Get Up
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:44pm liXiviated life:

Can is analyze a stool sample?
Now THAT would be a smart toilet.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm JakeGould:

The smart toilet should compliment your butt.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm listener james from westwood:

What's the smart-toilet equivalent of Clippy? "It looks like you're profoundly constipated. Would you like a recipe for lentil loaf?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm Rand al'Thor:

Monitor those emissions.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm herb.nyc:

in the end, I just wanna learn French while on the toilet!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm Michael 98145:

i was wondering why Amazon was talking about thousands of more amazonians...
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm melinda:

Does anyone remember how in the early 90s or so there were trend watchers (or maybe just a few academics) who thought regular fiction and movies would become interactive (kind of like this Bandersnatch thing) because the youngsters would demand interactivity over passivity?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm Webhamster Henry:

Time to listen to "We're All Bozos On This Bus".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm annie:

the people i cat-sit for got a huge new teevee... and it has a mike so you can speak things at it.. i turned it off
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:45pm queems:

my favorite brunch place in montclair has a fancy toilet and it is a joy
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm chresti:

HAHAHA
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm Bas NL:

Could toilet sounds act as unique passwords?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm listener james from westwood:

Can the smart toilet play "My Bathroom" from that one industrial opera?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm JakeGould:

“Lord Vader approaches…” *The Imperial March plays as the toilet rotates into position*
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm herb.nyc:

@queems - name of Montclair place, plz? I wanna ask my friend about it.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm geezerette:

Just how stupid are we expected to be?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm chresti:

If it cleans the toilet...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm queems:

@herb the corner on grove street
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:46pm Sean d:

Crepe
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm tim from champaign:

Ken - will a smart toilet be budgeted for during the next marathon?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm JakeGould:

@melinda: Yeah, I remember that. And they are kind of right since alternate reality games are a big deal nowadays.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm Rich in Washington:

Don't forget to let the air out of your shoes, Webmaster Henry!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm dale:

an ideal toilet would massage your neck and serve you donuts while you do your business.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm Registered Listener:

I'm pretty sure Amazon is actually looking to satire for idea at this point. Adult swim posted the smart pipe vid years ago. https://youtu.be/DJklHwoYgBQ
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm queems:

to be clear, it is called the corner and it is on grove street
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm Webhamster Henry:

Two factor authentication from a toilet ... Huh, huh.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:47pm geezerette:

Listener James, hahaaa!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:48pm annie:

i really love this show
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:48pm herb.nyc:

@queems - thanks. a smart bathroom was on mercer street in soho. it had glass walls but when the stall door shut, the glass feature was gone. or something like that. the restaurant is no longer there.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:48pm queems:

@herb i think i know that bathroom!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:48pm Michael 98145:

{ Joe B played a track today "I'll Play The Fool" by Cliff Westfall. It should be our new national anthem. }
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:49pm Beast of Boonton:

The Night Bird
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:49pm Jeff Moore:

...the nightBIRD. The robot DJ is the nightOWL.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

Owlsun makes up some pretty good poems.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:50pm liXiviated life:

Alison Steel?
I’m tuning in tonight.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:50pm JakeGould:

And I just discovered this… “Blockchain for Babies” smile.amazon.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:50pm Vanessa bikes:

Happy new year Ken and Mark! what will they come up with this year??
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:50pm Bas NL:

A Microsoft toilet seat.. hmmmm!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:51pm JakeGould:

Blue flush of death.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:52pm Webhamster Henry:

Here's Alison Steele doing a PSA for ROTC:
jhhl.net...
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:52pm JakeGould:

LASERDISC!!! NOT A CD!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:52pm chresti:

Owlsun is pretty cute
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:53pm queems:

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:53pm kevlicki:

Bummer I was occupied and have to catch up on the archive
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:53pm Vanessa bikes:

Oh I love the idea of interactive- remember Choose Your Own Adventure? too bad it was terrible - also love Black Mirror, but still waiting for the nightmares to go away before I watch this season.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm liXiviated life:

Love the Myst games
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm JakeGould:

R2-D2 is all about number 2.
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm clippy!:

bran muffins for all!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm geezerette:

There's a sequence in which the fireman's wife is too wrapped up in her interactive soap opera to interact with her husband.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm Tommy in Neversink:

IN Fahrenheit 451-Montag's wife does this interactive game with the big TV
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm Beast of Boonton:

Smart toilet says: Need a Feenamint Ken?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm herb.nyc:

maybe if you take too long in the toilet it'll tell you "stop trying so hard, just relax".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm Robert Tables:

Myst and its sequels had pretty good music.
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:54pm yippie:

I call toilet a magic chair
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm annie:

F-451 did have the big screens that observed the citizens. Bradbury also used interactive screens in the short story about the lions and the over=protective parents who wre eventually eaten by the lions
  Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm Universal Rundle:

Thou shall have No Urinal before me - Smart or otherwise
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm dale:

a rotating toilet would be a floor seal to 3 inch waste pipe nightmare.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm geezerette:

Also, look up Grahame Weinbrun.(sp?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm chresti:

Plungey is a good name for the toilet
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:55pm yippie:

MC
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:56pm Michael 98145:

@dale, as if plumbing isn't nightmare enough ...
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:57pm dale:

wasn't a.i. the one where the aliens come and make him a real living boy? in a destroyed flooded earth?
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:57pm BigCat:

how about robot on robot sex?
just asking for a friend...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

@Annie yes - the Veldt in The Illustrated Man.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:58pm ultradamno:

The Adult Swim show NTSF SD SUV had an ep with an anti-robot group that tortured an undercover robot infiltrator
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:58pm Michael 98145:

thanks for another inspiring show !
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:58pm northguineahills:

Thanks Mark and Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:58pm Tommy in Neversink:

I'm for robot on robot sex as long as it's consensual
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm queems:

thanks gentlemen!
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm yippie:

Pinocchio on Pinocchio
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm herb.nyc:

I often see pre-k kids wearing yellow vests, at the playground. they rock!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm Rand al'Thor:

Great show.
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm JakeGould:

Does everyone here know the Siri trick? Ask Siri “What is 1 trillion to the 10th power.” Sit back and enjoy!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm BigCat:

I consent, if that counts :)
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm geezerette:

Great show,Mark & Ken & everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Techlings!
Avatar Mon. 1/7/19 6:59pm dale:

good convo there. thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 7:00pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & Ken!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 7:00pm Webhamster Henry:

Thanks for the show, Ken & Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 🎃 Mon. 1/7/19 7:00pm chresti:

Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 1/7/19 7:01pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Good conversation tonight. Have a great week -
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