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Options November 12, 2018: M.T. Anderson predicted the future in his novel "Feed"

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This week: M.T. Anderson, author of Feed

Links to M.T.'s work:

• Twitter: @_MTAnderson

Wikipedia entry


The Assassination of Brangwain Spurge

Recent News

60 Minutes on Facebook & Google and their surveillance model (see also the transcript)

• From PBS Frontline: The Facebook Dilemma: Rand Waltzman talks about the real-world effects of "mass manipulation."

HQ2... and 3: Scott Galloway (Nov 9) calls Amazon HQ2 a "con": "Amazon’s HQ2 was over before it started. DC and NYC were always the winners... The Amazon HQ2 process was not transparent, but illuminating: Mr. Bezos and his board lack character and code."

Google Plans Large New York City Expansion (WSJ, Nov 7): "Google is nearing a deal to buy or lease a planned 1.3 million-square-foot office building at St. John’s Terminal in the city’s West Village neighborhood."

Alarm over talks to implant UK employees with microchips (Guardian, Nov 11): "Biohax of Sweden provides human chip implants the size of a grain of rice... [and] is in discussions with several British legal and financial firms about fitting their employees with microchips."

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Artist Track Album Label Images Approx. start time
  M.T. Anderson novel "Feed" describes a dystopian future where Americans walk around constantly distracted by digital advertising and social-media messages. Sound familiar?
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Options Machinarium Soundtrack  No label 
  Mark's intro      
  Interview with M.T. Anderson      
0:21:44 (MP3 | )
Mudboy  Swamp Things   Options Hungry Ghosts! These Songs Are Doors (Volume: V)  Digitalis     
  Uncanny Valley      
0:39:08 (MP3 | )
  Your comments      
0:45:10 (MP3 | )
Happy Prescriptions  Feed   Options Lights EP  No label 
0:53:40 (MP3 | )

Listener comments!

Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:01pm ultradamno:

Hello Mark! Techtarishioners!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:02pm queems:

hey folks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:02pm listener james from westwood:

How do, Mark and all!!
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:02pm TDK60:

Hey there, techno-skeptic radio persons.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:02pm Roland from Australia:

Here as usual. Thanks in anticipation.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:03pm TDK60:

ultradamno, you really come up with those; I was tryin' to think of something.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:03pm Bas NL:

Mark & Techtonitorians!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:04pm Zetti:

For anyone who missed the Edward Snowden Interview 11/7/18... www.haaretz.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:05pm Webhamster Henry:

I like past futurism as now experienced in the future! That's where we are going to spend the rest of our lives. <tm Criswell>
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:05pm melinda:

Hi everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:06pm Zetti:

Oops. I'll try to find another link..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:06pm chresti:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:06pm Aitch:

Also from Australia, love the show.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:06pm Coleusound:

I love listening to Mark at the gym!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:07pm queems:

i need a big mama t shirt
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:08pm ultradamno:

But can the frog play an instrument like Moondog?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:08pm Ken From Hyde Park:

So close to having a techtoad as mascot!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:09pm Webhamster Henry:

I just saw Escape From New York, set in the Future (1997), and one of the plot points is that Snake Plisskin gets a pair of exploding, dissolving RFID-like devices injected in his head.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:13pm ultradamno:

"Surveillance Capitalism" there's a phrase to put chills down your spine.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:16pm melinda:

I heard in an interview recently that Jair Bolsonaro illegally paid companies to spread fake news through What's App and it helped him win. Grim.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:17pm TDK60:

Why does that corp. need a 2nd office? growth?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park:

The irritating part of the PBS doc was Facebook's response. They basically shrugged their shoulders at every turn and said they planned to "do better" in the future.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:19pm Ken From Hyde Park:

More company for queems on the 7 train each morning!
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:20pm ultradamno:

"We'll do better in the future" is the new "fuck you".
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:21pm TDK60:

West Village? Ha. That'll be so quaint.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:22pm Robert Tables:

@Ken, ultradamno: Facebook's responses annoyed me as well.

Mr. Waltzman's interview was my favorite part of that first hour. I'm still planning to watch hour 2.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:22pm chresti:

Los Angeles is considered too expensive for Amazon workers
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:23pm bore:

you're going to have to add Disney to your tech corporations list soon
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:24pm geezerette:

Goodbye freedom, nice knowing you.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:25pm TDK60:

..gosh, could that happen?
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:25pm coelacanth∅:

this doesn't sound like a novel.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:25pm ultradamno:

Future, you say?
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:25pm Coleusound:

naaah that'll never happen... sent from mobile
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:27pm βrian:

Remember back when the future was utopian?
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:27pm herb.nyc:

FEED novel? I read a book review 3,4 wks ago of a dystopian bk and it said people were getting nutrition from the glare of a computer screen (or something like that). Scary. Same book?
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:28pm Serpent Strike:

Hmmm..... The future will likely be less utopian and more dystopian, the way that all these link nyc kiosks keep popping up around New York city.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:28pm Coleusound:

omg don't give them ideas
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:28pm coelacanth∅:

okay it's a novel! interesting idea.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:28pm geezerette:

Brian, let's go back!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park:

"The Comprehensive Guide to Quitting Google": www.lifehacker.com...
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:29pm Serpent Strike:

Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:30pm geezerette:

Please, someone, convince me the game's not over.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:30pm P-90:

Pretty good for 2002. Then again, it does sound like it derives from a cyberpunk tradition that goes all the way back, past Gibson, past Brunner, to the 1967 movie "The President's Analyst"...
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:30pm Serpent Strike:

Better utopian than dystopian
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:30pm Serpent Strike:

The moon does not suck
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:30pm TDK60:

Just in the last 4 or 5 years, many folks I encounter round town seem like brainwashed zombies, almost; face in a screen.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:31pm βrian:

Oh, no! Not reference as a verb!!
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:32pm ultradamno:

I think utopian at this point is a novel where a few people survive to see 2070
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:32pm Serpent Strike:

Yep. Today I saw 19/29 people on my way to school that were on their phone or electronic. They are like zombies that post on social media
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:32pm northguineahills:

Violet? a reboot of the Boxcar Children?
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:33pm geezerette:

Data is not information. It's static.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:33pm Serpent Strike:

For proof that the moon does not suck, read What If? by Randal Munroe
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:33pm Coleusound:

is there clockwork orange slang in this book? this is important to me in my distopic content
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:33pm paulo:

speaking of seeing the future: Jenifer government -
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:34pm Fox:

There's social cost to not having FB as a forty-something. My exbf cancelled his fb, and he never gets invited to ANY social events whatsoever. That's how all the invitations go out these days. I know a number of people who keep an account just so they can stay connected to their social lives.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:35pm βrian:

@geezerette: Unless you get your bits flipped. That's no fun.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:36pm geezerette:

Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:39pm northguineahills:

@Fox: True, I only have a handful of friends in my new town, and the once a week when I check FB is when I find invites for gallery openings/concerts/dance parties happen (early 40s).
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:41pm ultradamno:

Kabletown! www.vanityfair.com...
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:41pm geezerette:

Feeding on streams like fish feed on plastic.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:42pm βrian:

Why is there no anonymizing interface to FB?

Ach, forget I asked.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:43pm TDK60:

I don't knock communication; being manipulated tecno-socially-politically, I do.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:44pm geezerette:

I used to read WIRED with a mixture of dread and fascination.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:47pm queems:

you can't just have a fake ass moon
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:47pm listener james from westwood:

That's no moon . . .
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:47pm βrian:

Why didn't Neil plant a trademark claim flag when he had the chance??
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:47pm Tommy in Neversink:

I too have been to Chengdu
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:47pm gw:

I am so scared ! Please stop !
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:48pm coelacanth∅:

2 moons for gooble
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:48pm Webhamster Henry:

It's going to be built on the empty side fo the flat Earth.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:48pm gw:

No ! Not bio hax!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:48pm queems:

i feel like i need to meditate to this segment
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:48pm TDK60:

..have there been good books looking into this chip stuff?
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:49pm βrian:

So, wait. You implant the chip every day, then remove it 8 hours later ...?
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:49pm ultradamno:

If we don't have an artificial sky what will they display the images of the tributes that have died over the course of the day on?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:49pm Webhamster Henry:

More Uncanny Valley: lyrebird.ai is getting somewhat better at voice synthesis.
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:49pm SerpentStrike:

It does not
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:50pm northguineahills:

They've been talking about solar reflection geocenthric satellites to help arctic communities to have more sunlight during the winter, for over a decade now...
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:50pm geezerette:

I like chocolate chips, potato chips.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:51pm coelacanth:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:51pm Webhamster Henry:

@geezerette: The game is going to go into extra innings.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:52pm geezerette:

Mark, you're not causing the despair.

Hahaha, thanks guys! :)
  Mon. 11/12/18 6:52pm SerpentStrike:

Go disney!
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:53pm northguineahills:

@coel: Is that pronounced like Sun O)))
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:54pm Neckbard:

Well, any sociality so lazily and impersonally transacted is not worth it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:55pm chresti:

What I see are stressed out people that share houses/apartments with 4 or 5 people while working 10 hr+ days
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:55pm coelacanth∅:

ngh @6.50 and the bonus is it'll help to melt those damned ice caps too
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:56pm TDK60:

Too bad about Free Music Archive shutting down...no $.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:56pm chresti:

Why can't these all powerful entities do something helpful?
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:56pm coelacanth∅:

ngh, g∅∅ble... that's pronounced like sun o))) !
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:57pm ultradamno:

I guess that means we're losing the Listening Party as well, that sucks
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:57pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & M.T.!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 6:57pm melinda:

@Neckbard I don't agree, it really depends on one's circumstances. Social contact, even through social media, is a health necessity.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:58pm TDK60:

chresti: I see that too, folks on the train exhausted, stressed. the working class.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:58pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:59pm northguineahills:

what Bas said! (safe just to say that always).
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:59pm βrian:

If you feel you need to uee FB, it might help to, at least, implore your friends to help you find a way out.
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:59pm geezerette:

Thanks, Mark! (ouch)
Avatar Mon. 11/12/18 6:59pm TDK60:

gracias Mark and technots.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 7:01pm chresti:

Mucho Thanks!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 11/12/18 7:03pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everybody! Appreciate the good discussion this evening.
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