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Options September 19, 2018: Aya Katz
This week:the girls on fire welcome Aya Katz, an ape language researcher with a PhD in linguistics, and the author of several books for adults and children. Aya adopted Bow, a chimpanzee, into her family and began teaching him literacy over a decade ago, and he has since learned to communicate effectively using English and Hebrew. Join Emily and Kimzilla as they talk with Aya about learning, linguistics, and what life is like living with an chimp!

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:00pm RomanDogBird:

oh wow
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:01pm ultradamno:

You drive me ape, you big gorilla
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:03pm dale:

ape shall never kill ape.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:03pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Kimzilla & Emily!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:03pm Mark Hurst:

Oh sorry... hi Emily & Kimzilla!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

'Evening, primates!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:04pm dale:

i like jam. and jelly. and preserves.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:04pm common:

Hey all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:04pm Linda Lee:

great hearing you again! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:05pm maestroso:

Hallo K & E! Hearing you loud and clear.
  Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:06pm Hypertoast:

I don't think there is a special name for them!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:06pm Webhamster Henry:

This show is kind of relevant to me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:06pm dale:

they're called chimpanzeds in canada.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:07pm Linda Lee:

a baby chimp is an infant, apparently.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:07pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Call it a trump. Well, don't, actually.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:08pm Emily:

Thanks Linda!!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:08pm Emily:

Hallo everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:09pm ultradamno:

Anyone else here old enough to recall Far Out Space Nuts, the Sid & Marty Krofft show in which everyone would spaz out whenever anyone would say bananas?
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:09pm Emily:

dale: no way—really???
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:09pm kimzilla:

An infant! Ooohhh, I guess that makes sense!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:10pm Emily:

I don’t know that one, ultradamno!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:10pm Marc15:

Good Evening, Lifers
  Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:11pm Hypertoast:

I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-A to chimpan-Z...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:12pm Emily:

@hypertoast
You finally made a monkey out of meeeeee
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:13pm Linda Lee:

actually think that one's after my time, ultradamno :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:13pm Mark Hurst:

I love you, Dr. Zaius!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:13pm dale:

why do people assume animals are 'dumber' than humans? because we wear clothes and use currency?
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:14pm kimzilla:

@Ultradamno, how do I not know that one? I know the One banana, two banana, three banana theme song, but that was for another show, right?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:14pm Linda Lee:

the banana splits?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:15pm ultradamno:

Gilligan (Bob Dnver) was in it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:15pm dale:

was that jim nabors and ruth buzzi in that saturday morning show?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:15pm ultradamno:

Not Banana Splits
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:16pm ultradamno:

youtu.be...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:17pm Emily:

@Mark this is the one and only Simpson’s reference I know.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:17pm Linda Lee:

@dale ~ considering how we're fouling our own nest, we can probably argue the opposite.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:17pm melinda:

This is interesting.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:17pm kimzilla:

@ultradamno, yes! I loved that show, and Sigmund the Sea Monster!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:17pm Mark Hurst:

If you have to choose just one, that's a good one. (Though I defer to Amanda N. on all Simpsons knowledge)
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:18pm Emily:

@Linda & dale
Right!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:18pm Kate:

When Emily was young she had a hard time with French but she was a whiz at Japanese. So, sort of the reverse?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:18pm dale:

fouling our nest - excellent.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:18pm Emily:

@Mark so should we all...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:19pm Tommy in Neversink:

My wife lived in Taiwan and speaks fluent mandarin
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:19pm Linda Lee:

one banana, two etc isn't the banana splits?
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:19pm dez:

evenin!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:19pm Webhamster Henry:

Too bad Emojis hadn't been invented yet!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:20pm Emily:

@ Kate: still! I’m horrible at romance languages but Japanese is very intuitive to me—I haven’t tried to learn Mandarin, but maybe I should!
Maybe I’m just more primal...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:20pm dez:

the importance of Sid and Marty Kroft is criminally under reported
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:20pm kimzilla:

@Tommy, did she learn just from being around others speaking Mandarin or did she learn formally?
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:21pm kimzilla:

Hi Dez, so true.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:22pm ultradamno:

@Linda Yeah, that's definitely the Banana Splits theme, I thought you were asking if that was the show I was thinking of...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:23pm Kate:

@ Emily You are definitely more primal. Strongly intuitive.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:23pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Any TV network executives here? Please give us a chimpanzee cooking show. (I mean chimps cooking things, of course.)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:23pm Linda Lee:

right. i forgot the @kimzilla :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:25pm dale:

WHY do we care that animals can learn our words for objects? they can exist in their own worlds - why force them to live in ours?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:26pm Linda Lee:

it's about our desire to learn & explore, not theirs.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:26pm Dave in Vermont:

It isn't about forcing them into our world it is about learning how cognition works, especially with regard to language acquisition.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:27pm Linda Lee:

'course their cognition isn't the same as our cognition..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:28pm Linda Lee:

& it's likely a mistake to assume it is.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:28pm Dave in Vermont:

@LL maybe
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:29pm Emily:

This is a good conversation y’all are having—I’m very interested...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:29pm Kate:

So are Chinese symbols lexigrams?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:29pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Lancelot Link should've published a book about his experiences in the Saturday morning entertainment industry.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:30pm Emily:

I think my interest in it is wanting to talk with EVERYONE, regardless of their species, and hear about all their thoughts and how they feel about things and learn from them
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:30pm kimzilla:

@Ken from Hyde Park, I hear a marathon show idea, we just need the chimp, I’ll bring the pot.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:31pm Emily:

@Kate I think so! The one symbol depicting a word—that’s my understanding.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:31pm Webhamster Henry:

en.wikipedia.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:31pm Dave in Vermont:

maybe his language stopped evolving because he left the critical period
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:31pm Webhamster Henry:

But Bow uses letters, not lexigrams.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:33pm Linda Lee:

the faith that animals reflect us, like human children reflect human adults, might actually be a barrier to proper understanding.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:34pm Linda Lee:

animals aren't our children.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:34pm Dave in Vermont:

@WH she gave him words like "apple" but introduced them as lexigrams. So she gave him the whole word at once without breaking it down into component parts, letters. Only later did he break it down to realize that P was one separate part, letter. Chinese characters also have component parts that appear in other characters but represent meanings more than sounds.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:34pm Kate:

To me, being able to communicate with animals, has shown us that they are capable of abstract thought and emotions, which is a relatively new idea.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:34pm Emily:

@Linda that’s a really good point—I definitely know I have a tendency to way over-anthropomorphize
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:34pm Dave in Vermont:

@LL @ 7:34 (x2) agreed
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:35pm Emily:

@Kate exactly! To me too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:36pm Linda Lee:

hell they're probably better at abstract thought than we are, considering their consciousness isn't bound by words.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:36pm Linda Lee:

words delineate the limits of consciousness. they don't express its full potential.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:38pm Kate:

Linda, agreed.
  Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:38pm Hypertoast:

@Linda. That's a good point. They say whales have a much deeper emotional intelligence than us.
  Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:38pm Hypertoast:

no words to get in the way
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:39pm Linda Lee:

honestly, i'm more inclined to give the top intelligence prize to the animals that *don't* shit the nest.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:40pm Linda Lee:

this is a serious issue at this point. it's no joke.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:40pm Kate:

I think some people are threatened by the idea that animals can do those things because they feel it threatens our place as the superior beings on the planet.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:41pm Ken From Hyde Park:

There are some news headlines this week about parrots bartering tokens for food. They apparently understand how the values of various tokens can get them more/better food.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:41pm Linda Lee:

as if we need help endangering ourselves..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:43pm Linda Lee:

there is only one reason why we need to be 'superior' over other species on earth & that has to do with exploitation of natural resources for profit. that's it!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:44pm Sean d:

Hung out with a baby lemur and a baby something I can't remember... but so cute when they are sleeping!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:45pm Linda Lee:

the europeans approaching the americas had to view themselves as 'superior' to indigenous populations for the same reasons. superiority granted a right to exploit.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:45pm Kate:

@Linda Lee so true.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:45pm kimzilla:

@ken from Hyde park, I saw that! Did you see the video of the crows, that recycle?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:45pm Linda Lee:

great job, people! beautifully done. :-D
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:46pm Kate:

we know so little, its hard to learn more when we think we know so much
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:46pm Webhamster Henry:

@Ken/Hyde Park: Oh great, Pollycoin crypto currency!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:46pm Dave in Vermont:

@Kate!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:46pm Linda Lee:

absolutely right Kate!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:47pm JakeGould:

FWIW, the Cheetah living to 80 (not 75 as Aya describes) has been proven as bunk. I used to believe this myself that’s why I know about this! “But in 2008 the animal’s biographer, American journalist Richard Rosen, discovered the cigar-smoking ape was in fact born in 1960 and had never been in a Tarzan film.”

www.telegraph.co.uk...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:47pm Webhamster Henry:

www.animalequality.net...
New Zealand Legally Recognises Animals as 'Sentient' Beings

At the old Catskill Animal Sanctuary, there was the saddest Mandrill ever.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:47pm Emily:

@KATE <3
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:48pm JakeGould:

“Though we mourn the loss of any family pet, John Sr. would have never gifted a primate to his worst enemy. He never owned one as a pet; found them very difficult to work with.” www.huffingtonpost.com...
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:48pm Kate:

oh Emily, do you remember the eye conversation you had with the gorilla you had at the Asheboro zoo?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:48pm Linda Lee:

knowing the 'language' of apes would help you know what locking gazes might have said to the ape at the zoo. with many creatures you do not lock eyes unless you're mounting a personal challenge.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:48pm Webhamster Henry:

Sorry : Catskill Game Farm! Catskill Animal Sanctuary is a fantastic place.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:48pm JakeGould:

“There were many chimps that played the role of Cheeta,” says Devlen, “just as there were many dogs standing in for Lassie and Rin Tin Tin.”
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:49pm Kate:

You were a toddler. We quit going to the zoo not too long after that, made us both too sad.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:49pm Linda Lee:

correct on the Animal Sanctuary.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:50pm Webhamster Henry:

I wonder if Andy Serkis visited one of these language labs.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:51pm Emily:

@kate no! I don’t remember! What happened??
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:51pm ultradamno:

A Scientific American article on how octopi can communicate that I originally came by from the WFMU Twitter feed: www.scientificamerican.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:51pm melinda:

That's true about psychoactive drugs and humans.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:52pm Emily:

Man, octopi are SMART
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:52pm Sean d:

Legalize weed for all animals
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:54pm melinda:

I heard that each of an octopus's arms has its own brain, so to speak.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:55pm Webhamster Henry:

Hey you said Parroting #speciesist
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:55pm Linda Lee:

& they say anarchy (non hierarchical society) can't work, but there are societal systems everywhere that are non-hierarchical & they work very well. there always have been.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:55pm ultradamno:

Cerebral 4WD!
  Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:56pm Travisano66:

I think the closer-related the animal is to us, the more right we have to anthropomorphize.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:56pm melinda:

Emily I felt the same way too! My solution was to sleep with all my stuffed animals and rotate them so each one had a chance to sleep next to me and wouldn't feel left out.
  Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:56pm Travisano66:

I think speciesism is okay in many situations.
  Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:57pm Travisano66:

Took the words out of my mouth. I'm sure eggs Benedict with a slice of human ass would be delicious. But I'm a vegetarian.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:57pm Kate:

The two of you sat side by side with the zoo glass between you. You were afraid of him, so you looked at him out of the side of your eye. Then he did the same. Slowly you each turned your head a little more. Finally you reached one finger up to the glass, still side eyeing him, and he reached his finger up to the same spot on the other side of the glass, still side eyeing you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:58pm Linda Lee:

are you sure you wanna go there, ladies? ;-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:58pm Webhamster Henry:

This is indeed Real Life! Animal consciousness needs to be in our consciousness.
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:58pm dez:

yea, that's a crime! No one is gonna cop to that on air!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:58pm Linda Lee:

what a cool story, Kate!
  Wed. 9/19/18 7:59pm Kate:

@ Linda Lee LOL
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Wed. 9/19/18 7:59pm ultradamno:

A friend of mine in school lived on a farm and his dad complained that pigs were stupid because they would run when they were about to be slaughtered
Avatar Swag For Life Member Wed. 9/19/18 7:59pm Vanessa bikes:

I know a Zombie apocalypse survivalist, I will ask if they would be willing to talk to you!
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