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Options June 4, 2018: Andrew Keen, author, "How to Fix the Future"

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This week: Andrew Keen, author of the new book "How to Fix the Future."

Pointers to Andrew's work:

@ajkeen on Twitter

Andrew's site

How to Fix the Future on Indiebound

• Read more on Sir Thomas More (Utopia, A Man for All Seasons) and Gordon Moore of Moore's Law.

Recent tech news:

Facebook Gave Device Makers Deep Access to Data on Users and Friends (New York Times, June 3): "The company formed data-sharing partnerships with Apple, Samsung and dozens of other device makers, raising new concerns about its privacy protections." (Zeynep Tufekci writes: "So if a Facebook friend of yours had the Facebook app on *their* phone, Facebook shared *YOUR* private data with device-makers, even if you had somehow managed to turn off third-party sharing.")

Thread from former Facebooker Sandy Parakilas, saying Facebook broke a promise: "This is a really big deal because in 2011 Facebook signed a Consent Decree saying they would stop doing deceptive things like this (ie, no unauthorized passing of friend data). Then they told the world they were shutting down friend permissions completely starting in 2014." (See also the April 30 playlist - scroll down for comments on the consent decree: $40k per violation is $3.4 trillion.)

Good news on privacy from Apple: WaPo's Geoff Fowler reports that "the Safari browser on the Mac and iOS 12 will block Like buttons and other social sharing tools that track you." On the other hand, Charlie Warzel writes, "30 minutes ago Apple was talking about having a healthier relationship to our devices. Now, they have a woman riding a spin bike in front of us and frantically scrolling thru productivity apps and multitasking on her watch."

• Reminder: if you want to limit how much time you spend on soul-draining addiction apps, DELETE THEM FROM YOUR PHONE. Start with deletefacebook.com. Get off Facebook and Instagram. Take off all social media, including Twitter, from your phone. And start weaning yourself off of all Google services (Gmail, Google search, Google Calendar, etc.).

• The future of society is at stake. Protesters in San Francisco dumped a huge pile of scooters in the street and blocked 11 tech buses (Business Insider, May 31). Image below from the story.

• Or do we really want the SF/Silicon Valley model? "Scenes from an idyllic SF childhood: Teaching our two-year-old not to pick up street needles, by showing her some on the way to her exorbitant daycare, along with stern admonitions. They're all over playgrounds, so this is imperative." (source)


Our closing song tonight is Future Life by Derek Clegg, freely available thanks to WFMU's Free Music Archive.

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  How to fix the future: Andrew Keen speaks about possible solutions to our society-wide problems caused by Big Tech surveillance capitalists. His new book, "How to Fix the Future," draws on positive examples from Estonia, Singapore, and other initiatives worldwide.
Tomaš Dvořák  Game Boy Tune   Options Machinarium Soundtrack 
  Mark's intro    
  Interview with Andrew Keen    
0:19:14 (MP3 | )
  Your calls and comments 201-209-9368    
0:39:24 (MP3 | )
Derek Clegg  Future Life   Options Head Down Sunrise 
0:53:56 (MP3 | )

Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:03pm listener james from westwood:

Evening, Mark, Bas, and all!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Techtonic & Lime, bartender!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:03pm TDK60:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:05pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Evening, gang!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:05pm ultradamno:

So toaday's project is fixing the future. An hour seems right.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:05pm TDK60:

Right off, the title makes me wary but I'll hold my typing fingers...
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:06pm brycepunk1:

Glad I discovered this show. Really been enjoying it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:06pm Smokestack:

Really glad to have you on the new schedule, Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:06pm chris:

hi, Mark and folks. "read more on More and Moore..." worth repeating. :)
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:07pm geezerette:

Howdy, Mark and Techtons!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:07pm northguineahills:

I'm still busy fixing the past, it'll be a while before I get to the future.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:07pm thedunkel:

Hello! Please fix the future!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:07pm Roland Munyard:

So good to have a station like this to tune into - listening in from Australia
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm northguineahills:

(the bronze age is really tricky)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Jeff Moore:

Hey! Way to gloat, man!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Greg from ZONE 5:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Buffalo's Tom:

Hi, everyone!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Smokestack:

I'll fix the future tomorrow
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm thedunkel:

Greg "THE MASTER" from Zone 5
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Peter from Dover NJ:

What thedunkel said.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm geezerette:

YAY, Greg!!!
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Warren in Australia:

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:08pm Webhamster Henry:

@Roland How's tomorrow doing?
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:09pm geezerette:

Future, tense...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:10pm Webhamster Henry:

My phone's Siri is set to a female Australian.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:12pm Fuzzy:

Tomorrow Never Knows...turn off your phone, relax and float downstream...
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:13pm TheJBE:

I'm not optimistic, Mark, that tech will be integrated to benefit most people. Techno-utopians continue to over-promise and under-deliver on everything. Self-driving cars are just one of many (you mentioned AI) tech advances that will offer up a dystopian world.

I remember coming across Neil Postman's books back in the late-1980s. Nothing that's come along since has disavowed me of my cynicism that technology will make our lives any better.

Look forward to hearing Keen, this evening.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:13pm ultradamno:

Yeah, "sharing" is an insidious word when it's other people's stuff
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:13pm geezerette:

Nice,fuzzy! :)
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:16pm northguineahills:

The only thing I ever like are my friends' bands/art projects/small businesses.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:19pm Webhamster Henry:

The WFMU Playlist Chat board is here to suck up your time safely!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:19pm TheJBE:

What? Big Tech is not my friend? Who knew?
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:20pm herb.nyc:

$3.4trillion fine for FB? Maybe? Let's start a gofundTimCook acct. -- it was me in the Apple Store being forced to hear the wwdc. And it was in w'burg, not Manhattan. (I was posing as a hipster today.) I also told an Apple guy of this show, something I often do when at the store.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:21pm Mr. Record:

All fine and good but some folks are social media managers for small businesses etc. If there could be a way to one-tap these apps live for a minute or three without having to re-install and provide login again, great!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:24pm TheJBE:

The G&T should become the official Techtonic cocktail.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:24pm northguineahills:

*runs to the store for some gin, tonic, and more limes!*
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:25pm herb.nyc:

His 4th book? Is he gonna keep writing until he gets it right? (Bad joke, sorry)
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:25pm ultradamno:

I notice there's a hole in the back of the head of the sitting doll on the playlist, did he know too much?
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:25pm geezerette:

Alexa, mix me a drink.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:26pm melinda:

hi all
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:27pm chresti:

the needles were in sf before the googles showed up
Hi everybody!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:27pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Good evening, Mark and Techtonicians.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:28pm chresti:

off to work I GO...
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:31pm TheJBE:

I appreciate an author who is willing to admit that he hasn't re-invented the wheel and that he isn't offering up anything new. On that admission alone, I'll read Keen's book.

I also think programs like this one, are important. I tend to imbibe the music programming here on 'FMU, but I'm going to go back through the archives, beginning with last week's AI program. Thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:33pm Mark Hurst:

Hi everyone! Thanks for listening in & commenting tonight. I'll try to respond to some of your comments on-air after the interview.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:36pm northguineahills:

I'm leaving work, thanks Mark and Andrew, enjoy the evening!.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:36pm Mark Hurst:

A system built on "accountability, openness, transparency, and trust" - how well are we doing with our current system?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:36pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, @ngh, have a good evening!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:41pm Michael 98145:

[ how did you get Alan Rickman in the studio ?! :) ]
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:41pm Bas NL:

We had a recent case where a celebrity in our country had visited a hospital. They later found no less then 100 people from the hospital had a look at the medical records of this person. The hospital took action, but it shows how public privacy has become..
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:41pm Tommy in Neversink:

Yes, the left is intolerant of many ideas....like destroying the planet or spending 20 billion on a useless wall....
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:43pm Michael 98145:

it all comes down to making wealth out of our information, doesn't it?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:43pm chris:

Bas, healthcare information is heavily regulated in the US. those 100 folks would be summarily fired at the place i work. in addition, the company could face fines for that breach of privacy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:43pm Webhamster Henry:

Well, cars aren't deathtraps for people IN the cars...
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:43pm herb.nyc:

Nice word choice AKeen makes - "Apple, I use their equipment...". Equipment? Tim Cook just gasped.
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:44pm Payton in Warwick:

I had to pull over to say this is the best techtonic episode I’ve heard. So interesting. Loved the interview.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:44pm Tommy in Neversink:

But I generally agree with Mr. Keen
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:45pm JakeGould:

When will men learn to stop being jerks to each other?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:45pm Bas NL:

@chris I think our government is now slightly more aware of such transgressions. But you know how slow things in government can work..
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:45pm Warren in Australia:

@herb.nyc thinking the same thing!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:46pm JakeGould:

History is just a record of men being jerks to each other.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:47pm Michael 98145:

@JG, with women usually getting caught in between
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:47pm Payton in Warwick:

How is it not surveillance if we pay for it? I don’t understand that bit. Is it because we can stop paying and vote with our dollars with companies that do hints we don’t like? Hitting the road again. Thanks for a great show!
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:48pm JakeGould:

FWIW, when the Internet bubble first burst in the early 2000s, that’s when being a tech guy morphed into being a “dude bro d-bag.”
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:48pm JakeGould:

@Michael98145: Ooo… That’s a hot take!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:49pm melinda:

I think I read Amusing Ourselves to Death in the early 90s, still so relevant.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:49pm Roland Munyard:

"Human Beings with Agency" - Everyone can do something. - I like that quote.

I was in the UK recently and it's hard to describe how many CC TV Camera's I observed on the Highways and byways and at intersections and thoroughfares - the most frightening aspect was that everyone else did not seem in the least concerned about it.

Very pleased about the Apple and Safari Browser update.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:50pm Webhamster Henry:

There was a little meme going around on Facebook where young people were asked to name a book and they couldn't.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:51pm Bas NL:

I once talked my mother through new big tech developments and she said: Who needs that! I reminded here she had savings in a high tech fund and so she should be able to tell me...
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:52pm geezerette:

We are living in Big Brave New World.
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:53pm Patty D:

I used to do "social media manager" type work. I hated it so I got another job. I know that's not exactly a feasible solution for everyone but the option is there if you want it.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:53pm JakeGould:

@WebhamsterHenry: I find those “As a [Group]” viral things to be 100% fake.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:53pm Smokestack:

Brave New Idiocracy
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:53pm Mister Dobalina:

  Mon. 6/4/18 6:53pm Tim in VT:

Not surprising that a slave morality dominates social media
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

@JakeGould It's OK that they are fake - they are fables that tell a tale for people to nod their heads to.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:54pm JakeGould:

@WebhamsterHenry: That’s why I am wary of most all viral items nowadays. I can almost see 90% of that stuff out there being created by some entity that is doing it on purpose for click-bait.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:55pm geezerette:

Thanks again,Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:55pm Bas NL:

Ohh.. ha, ha, this week colleagues at work started emailing me screenshots of Whatsapp discussions for my attention!
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:56pm rando smith:

hey maek look into this? https://diasporafoundation.org
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:57pm JakeGould:

Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:57pm ultradamno:

Looking forward to a technocratic summer, congrats on the renewal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:57pm Michael 98145:

thanks again, Mark H
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:57pm Fredericks:

Can't? They already do.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm chris:

let's try that, Jake!

thanks, Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm listener james from westwood:

Thanks, Mark!
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm tp:

Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm Fuzzy:

Thanks Mark --- see ya next week!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 6:58pm Webhamster Henry:

Stay well - and off Facebook!
  Mon. 6/4/18 6:59pm tp:

thank you Mark
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 6/4/18 7:00pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Have a great week. And delete your Facebook account.
Avatar Mon. 6/4/18 7:01pm Fredericks:

Hey WB Henry watch this: www.youtube.com...
  Mon. 6/4/18 8:06pm Purple4eva:

My son called me up from Phoenix Arizona about your show Mark. Thanks for having Andrew Keen on your show. He's a voice of reason amidst those who are obsessed with technology as the solution to all our earthly problems. For years technology, the media, and even the government have been pushing their artificial intelligence agendas as the Second Coming. And, that we humans have NO choice but to accept technology no matter what. Well, the push back is just beginning as more and more people wake up and educate themselves about not just the positive consequences; but, also the very real negative consequences. We BC (before computers) people know what life was like before the Internet, social media platforms of narcissistic performances and social media mobs fanning the flames of intolerance and hatred. Life wasn't perfect; but, at least we knew how to have a human conversation and/or dialogue. And, we sure as hell wanted to be drivers of our own destiny. It seems we have things ass backwards these days...it's humans first, not gadgets, robots, and algorithms...Humans matter, tech's only a tool. Robotics, automation, and singularity is not a given; it's a choice. Each one of us as Andrew Keen stated needs to be involved if we care about the existence, well-being, and purpose of the human race.
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