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Options April 23, 2018: Columbia Business School prof. Len Sherman on business models online

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This week: Columbia Business School professor Len Sherman on the effect of business models in our online experience.

Pointers to Len's work:

If You're In A Dogfight, Become A Cat, by Len Sherman, on Indiebound

Can Mark Zuckerberg Fix Facebook's Mess? and Why Facebook Will Never Change Its Business Model, recent Forbes.com columns

• Len on Twitter: @lenshermanCBS

Len's homepage

...but first, as usual, we'll start with tech news:



Recent News

Where Countries Are Tinderboxes and Facebook Is a Match, by Amanda Taub and Max Fisher in the NYT. “Time and again, communal hatreds overrun the newsfeed — the primary portal for news and information for many users — unchecked as local media are displaced by Facebook and governments find themselves with little leverage over the company. Some users, energized by hate speech and misinformation, plot real-world attacks. ... ‘You report to Facebook, they do nothing,’ one of the researchers, Amalini De Sayrah, said. ‘There’s incitements to violence against entire communities and Facebook says it doesn’t violate community standards.’”

Jaron Lanier speaking about Facebook and Google as “behavior modification empires” that “rely on behavior modification and spying” for their business models. It’s cheaper to pay them to ruin things than to make positive change. Perhaps, Lanier says, it’s time for subscription fees. (Hey, it worked for HBO and Netflix!) “I don’t believe our species can survive unless we fix this,” Lanier concludes. “In the meantime, if the companies won’t change, delete your accounts.”

Interview with Jaron Lanier in New York Magazine: “A lot of the rhetoric of Silicon Valley that has the utopian ring about creating meaningful communities where everybody’s creative and people collaborate and all this stuff — I don’t wanna make too much of my own contribution, but I was kind of the first author of some of that rhetoric a long time ago. So it kind of stings for me to see it misused. Like, I used to talk about how virtual reality could be a tool for empathy, and then I see Mark Zuckerberg talking about how VR could be a tool for empathy while being profoundly nonempathic, using VR to tour Puerto Rico after the storm, after Maria. One has this feeling of having contributed to something that’s gone very wrong.”

Techno-Fundamentalism Can’t Save You, Mark Zuckerberg, by UVA professor Siva Vaidhyanathan

The New Octopus, by K. Sabeel Rahman in Logic mag.

Who Has More of Your Personal Data Than Facebook? Try Google, writes Christopher Mims in the WSJ. More on Google soon...



For our sing along tonight:

Building a surveillance state
Google, Google
Privacy is what they hate
All Google day

It's Facebook, too
They're spying on you
We've got to change before it's too late
All Google day

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:00pm listener james from westwood:

How do, Mark and all!! Pre-travel packing frenzy but happy to catch this show live!
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:02pm melinda:

Hi all!
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:02pm melinda:

Where ya headed James?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:03pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:04pm common:

hey!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:04pm geezerette:

Hi, Mark & Techtonics.
www.nytimes.com...

Article about Twitter-keeper for Trump.
Haven't read but looks well worth it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:05pm northguineahills:

Changed clothes from random feces I got all over my clothes via my garden hose, and got back to work, and realized there are still some in my shoe treads. Sock footed at work scrubbing my shoes (Big Fun!)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:09pm herb.nyc:

how about adding ... 2019: no
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:10pm Ken From Hyde Park:

If only we could get computers embedded in our brains and they could do all the work and thinking.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:13pm herb.nyc:

re fb sri lanka article in nytimes - i'm thinking of movie "network" now, as the news anchor is using t.v. news to start a revolution.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:16pm Bas NL:

From May 25th we have the new EU General Data Protection Regulation to control the use of personal data on the internet. It's big.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:18pm herb.nyc:

boo hoo, i am a rain drop
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:19pm geezerette:

Bas, we need that. :(
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:19pm Tommy in Neversink:

I was wondering when we would have a sing along..but didn't know how to bring it up
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:19pm sim:

Once the avalanche has begun, it is too late for the pebbles to cry stop.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:19pm ultradamno:

Not even on Chipmunk Punk?
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:21pm drew:

Thanks for having the Jaron interview. I'm big fan of his.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:21pm Phil with the phone:

please don't make me sing this
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:21pm Linda Lee:

oh dear me, help. no.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:21pm herb.nyc:

this song has reached #1 on the woodland mammals charts
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:21pm northguineahills:

Too late Phil and Linda!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:22pm geezerette:

Where's the bouncing ball?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:23pm Bas NL:

Bouncing ball! Yes!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:23pm ultradamno:

Nice A-Ha-ified meme
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:23pm Doug C.:

Well. Hard to make out the lyrics but they are true. I’m in for the singalong.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:23pm Linda Lee:

ok ... the product is social media. who is the 'social'? jeez!
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:24pm sim:

Uncertain how better Netflix subscription model is. They are rather bouyed by stock valuation than subscriptions. Additionally, they have deep metrics on viewership as to what people will watch and develop accordingly.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:24pm geezerette:

Auntie Social.
  Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:26pm drew:

Ah. I misunderstood. Jaron's elsewhere. Please do have him on.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:27pm geezerette:

We could connect with people BEFORE fb.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:28pm Linda Lee:

of course!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:28pm Bas NL:

I like the WFMU business model best!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:29pm geezerette:

Otherwise none of us would even be here.
Howdy Linda Lee!

What Bas said. :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:30pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

(...no business @ all...)
Evening.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:30pm Linda Lee:

hi geezerette!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:31pm Linda Lee:

looking at the fmu model is actually interesting: offer somethiing of great value that's meaningful & the community will support it happily. no need to sell it to them or sell them to it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:32pm Fuzzy:

Perusing the internet without an ad blocker is insane.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:32pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...personally...I'm sick of Corporations & Governments & Institutions saying they Serve &/or Represent us - & they take our money
...& they want *us* to have no privacy
...& they offer *no* transparency - & *no* ACCOUNTABILITY whatsoever...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:32pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@Bas - I heard about that. I hope it helps things. www.eugdpr.org...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:34pm northguineahills:

True, sim, they sell that data as well, but ideally it's easier for them to keep it anonymous. Whether they do or not, is another subject.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:34pm geezerette:

Rev Rab! Can't disagree.

Linda, WFMU is utopian!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:35pm JakeGould:

@Fuzzy: …in 2016 onwards.

In 1996 when I worked in web publishing people gave me crap about ads being tracked on the site I worked on. Guess what? Ads were reasonable there and the analytics were trivial.

I think the world of ad tech in the current age is straight out creepy. More nefarious than anything that existed in 1996 and such.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:35pm Bas NL:

@Ken: Facebook, Google, Microsoft are working feverishly to comply; the fines are 4% of yearly profits WORLDWIDE.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:37pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

CrowdFunding...What I wonder: Ultimate organic Socialism - or Libertarianism - ?? The idea that an unregulated Market is some kind of Natiural state - like dollars are like oak leaves or something...
...Of course - CryptoCurrency is about to rock Finance to the core...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:38pm Fuzzy:

@Jake: you said it. It's a straight-up malware vector now. I cannot and will not browse the web without a blocker now (using Ublock Origin and Cookie Autodelete extensions with Firefox these days.)
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:39pm geezerette:

Endless disruption is only good for people who stand atop pyramids.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:40pm northguineahills:

My brothers have never read anything that school didn't assign them unless it was a sports website, and they're in their mid-30s. They actually asked me how do I read books?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:41pm Mark Hurst:

Hi everybody! Thanks for the great comments. Here's Adblock Plus: adblockplus.org
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:42pm Linda Lee:

ngh ~ you'll need to send them a video of how you read books. sitting? reclining? dressed? bright light? low light .. ?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:42pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...read in the tub...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:44pm northguineahills:

@Linda: Usually w/ a pint by the light of my phone.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:44pm βrian:

I agree with Fuzzy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:44pm Linda Lee:

there you go! :-)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:45pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I can't begin to keep up. Appreciating this Program as a Podcast might help me...
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:45pm geezerette:

You read with your eyes, tell 'em it's just like scrolling but you turn pages instead.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:46pm βrian:

We need a big data cloaca that will collect it all and mix it up. Project Cloaca, maybe.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:46pm Linda Lee:

Ken: extrapolate from there & you develop a false persona. thereafter taking part in social media has no value.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park:

For funs, I took a look at the Bumble app the other day. To complete installation, it wanted access to all kinds of phone info: location, call records, contact list, etc. Did not proceed.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:47pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...that's what I liked about MySpace - Friending fictional characters...very creative it seemed...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:47pm geo in jc:

Ken's name is actually Larry.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:47pm βrian:

I always confuse MyFace with SpaceBook.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:48pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...the President s AndyKaufman...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:49pm Bas NL:

I did concert reviews on MySpace.. until MySpace deleted the blog space without prior notice.. Big bummer.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:49pm geezerette:

Hey! It's a real place. Pismo Beach.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:50pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I saw some news headline today that mentioned many Amazon reviews are written by paid product employees and not independent product consumers. Imagine that!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:51pm JakeGould:

A non-profit Facebook would be NPRbook. Everyone gets a ^*@%! tote bag!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:51pm geezerette:

shocked, Ken FHP, shocked!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:52pm βrian:

If that tote bag is made of heavy duty woven hemp, that works for me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:52pm Linda Lee:

on NPRbook corporate reps have their own personal accounts & have you believe they're users just like you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:52pm JakeGould:

@Ken: Ever go on Zappos? All the reviews are great! All of the shoes are comfortable and cozy and the best thing everyone has bought!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:52pm Carmichael:

Just got here. Who thinks Pismo ain't real?!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:52pm ultradamno:

There will be a Black Mirror episode where deleting a replicant account will punishable as murder.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:53pm βrian:

A nonprofit FB would require one hell of a kickstarter campaign to get it going.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:53pm Linda Lee:

James Corbett is busy investigating new social media models right now the issue now seems to be: ways to draw users. a couple of them are using cryptocurrency to do it. with currency you have gaming though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:53pm JakeGould:

How about a Facebook, but just for dudes? Call it “Dudebook: No Chicks Allowed”
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:53pm melinda:

I would love a facebook alternative. I worry that most people aren't disturbed enough by the facebook model to try another platform.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 6:54pm geezerette:

Carm, already don't remember...:0
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:54pm Smokestack:

There are plenty of other social media platforms. It's just that how are you going to get a critical mass of people to all switch over to it? It could happen--but it's many years off
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:54pm tooplin:

THE AUDIENCE ENGINE!!!!!!!!!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:55pm Linda Lee:

@Smokestack ~ this is why steemit, yours.com are using cryptocurrency. making contributions rewarding materially.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm Linda Lee:

.. but money is *too* rewarding! so the value to users has to be immaterial.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm JakeGould:

I want to build a social media site for people who play “Mr. Do.” Who’s with me?
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm Mister Eddie:

What user information does FMU collect?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm Bas NL:

We do need to be able to post pictures here though.. (hint)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Is the Tech behind fb, iTunes &tc. really so exclusive & unable to be replicated? One thing they say about CryptoCurrency : the Encryption takes a lot of electrical energy: ServerFarms have big impact...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:56pm Smokestack:

Who knows, Facebook could totally fall apart next year. Something will come out of the ashes of that
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:57pm βrian:

But agitated gifs should be anathema.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:57pm Linda Lee:

Mister Eddie ~ FMU requires actual DNA sampling to join. not really. you need nothing but math skills.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:57pm queems:

this is hilarious
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:58pm melinda:

@Rabbit the energy use is a really troubling aspect of cryptocurrency.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Save this for the next Hoof and Mouth!
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:58pm Jay Goges:

I like the disjointed vocals! Hahaha
  Mon. 4/23/18 6:58pm Mister Eddie:

Are you sure?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:58pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- & Quantum is gonna blast us into another sphere...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:59pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...cause we'er just bored w/ all this - don'chaknow...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:59pm Linda Lee:

BasNL ~ we do have listeners' flickrs. but it's flickr!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 6:59pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Blockchainbook!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:00pm Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

@KenFHP: That could be it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:00pm northguineahills:

Thanks Mark, Kim, Phil, Dan, and Len!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:00pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark & all!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 7:00pm geezerette:

YAY! clap clap clap!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:01pm Linda Lee:

i was just talking about an arts-based facebook that isn't about marketing. just about creative ideas & mutual support. like any artsists' community. does it exist? non profit?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:01pm Linda Lee:

there's an example of intrinsic value.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 7:02pm geezerette:

Linda Lee, if you find it please please tell us!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:02pm Linda Lee:

the secret could be: look at the kinds of support people look for on FB & don't get. that's what we need to provide, non profit.
i will!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:03pm Bas NL:

There is a great sharing spirit in the programmers community.. think Linux, GNU, GitHub etc.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:03pm Linda Lee:

might have to make it up!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:03pm Linda Lee:

needs a strong visual component.
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 7:03pm geezerette:

:D !
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:04pm Linda Lee:

sound component too. for music & sound arts.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:04pm Linda Lee:

someone forgot to close the board. :-D
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I hate how you pay for cable TV and have to watch ads anyway. What a scam!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:04pm Bas NL:

'Artify'
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 4/23/18 7:05pm Linda Lee:

there you go Bas!
Avatar Mon. 4/23/18 7:05pm geezerette:

Bas, that sounds like a drug!
  Tue. 4/24/18 7:48pm Abandon Social Everything:

This is an alternative to Facebook that has always intrigued me but I have not tried it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
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