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Options February 19, 2018: Matt Klinman on "how Facebook is killing comedy"

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This evening, a conversation with Matt Klinman on the effect that Facebook is having on comedy.

Links:

How Facebook is Killing Comedy, Matt's interview with Splitsider

Facebook Notification Has Crossed the Line (Wired, Feb 15)

How I Cracked Facebook's New Algorithm and Tortured My Friends, by Katie Notopoulos

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Techtonic friends, my suggestions this week:
- Delete social media apps from your smartphone.
- Pick up a book.
- Support independent, non-monopolist services like these alternatives and, of course, WFMU.

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  Matt Klinman on "how Facebook is killing comedy"
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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:01pm northguineahills:

Techtonic platitudes, y'all...!
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:02pm geezerette:

wish it was the other way around.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:02pm melinda:

Hi all
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:02pm Bas NL:

Hi Mark!
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:02pm geezerette:

Howdy!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:03pm Webhamster Henry:

Hiya Mark and TechTones:

in re: killing comedy,
I like to quote Tom Lehrer on why he stopped writing satire: After Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize, you couldn't top that (words to that effect).
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:04pm Number Six:

Evening , Mark & All!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:04pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Oh, dear ... the killer app strikes again!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

Is there going to be a Botnik minute on this show every week?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:07pm Ken From Hyde Park:

"Romantic algorithms" ... is there a joke in there somewhere? Hoo boy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:07pm Webhamster Henry:

All The News That's Fit To Fake on Feb 16,2018 17:03:30
By laying out in excruciating detail the F.B.I. acknowledged on Friday that it had failed to sow political discord.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:07pm Commodore Vic:

Read some made-band names from Botnick's AI generated Coachella line-up. That's comedy!
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:08pm Commodore Vic:

(AI generated band names)
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:10pm geezerette:

no argument. witches brew.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:14pm arrow apple:

Beware the Industrial/Military Complex. Clay played it this AM. If someone does not mention guns about this slaughter, walk away.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:14pm ultradamno:

I've noticed Twitter doing this too. Giving me notices that people I follow have liked something.
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:17pm Number Six:

I'm not on fb but I got a new phone and removed their preinstalled app. Within 24 hours I started getting messages saying that x number of people are looking for me on fb.
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:17pm Switchblade Batman:

Yup, FB is broken. It has been for years. Will be in the future. Eventually it'll go the way of Myspace
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:18pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Algorithm was Kurt "Chalky" Gottschalk's word of the week last Wednesday on Wake 'n' Bake.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:18pm queems:

oh i played that art face game
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:19pm queems:

because i'm a sucker
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:19pm Patty D:

I used to get a notification on my facebook app and the only way to make it go away would be to open the App. When I would open the app I wouldn't have any actual notifications. What I did notice however was that the very first post in my feed was always a promoted post which meant I was giving it an "impression" by seeing it. Coincidence? Doubtful.

P.S. love the show.
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:21pm Chud:

The Google Arts and Culture app has been around for a while... It's got a pretty good archive of high resolution scans of fine art from around the world
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:21pm Webhamster Henry:

I sent in pictures of electric sockets.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:22pm melinda:

That selfie art thing seemed suspicious for exactly this reason.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:22pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I applied some good ol' Techtonic skepticism and didn't send any selfies to that project.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:22pm Webhamster Henry:

Also drawings and shots of stuffed animals.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:23pm Bas NL:

A database of deleted stuff.. yum!
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:23pm Chud:

I'm not a fan or user of the selfie part of the app, though the algorithm they use doesn't need to send a full image back to their servers to match
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:24pm queems:

i relate to this angry guy
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:24pm Webhamster Henry:

And also, it's results ere quite poor. So it was roughly as accurate as Internet quizzes like "What Hogwarts House do you sort in?"
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:25pm Webhamster Henry:

"And also, it's results ere quite poor." <== "And also, its results were quite poor."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/19/18 6:25pm Fuzzy:

Brain Candy.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:28pm queems:

HE'S A CYBORG
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:28pm Gooberz.jpg:

Nice I just read that piece

Digging the monster voice, for anonymity
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

Hey , I'm in Pitch!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park:

OK, now he's sounding normal.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:29pm Webhamster Henry:

It's a very interesting idea!
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:32pm Gregg:

The Onion was great until someone bought them and turned them into crap. I just remember the website Get Your War On. That was great too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:36pm βrian:

@Gregg: Amen. I'm from Madison.
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:36pm geezerette:

Yeah, GYWO was incredible!

FB is a memory hole.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/19/18 6:38pm Fredericks:

To "ere" is human, Webhamster.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:38pm Gooberz.jpg:

FB isn't even a good memory hole anymore. It's absolute mind control shit now. There's no reason to be there in 2018
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/19/18 6:39pm Fredericks:

Also, I think Lehrer said he couldn't do satire anymore.
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:39pm geezerette:

Memory holes are not a good thing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:40pm βrian:

Never actually used FB; only lurked a bit to find old friends. Just seemed too creepy.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:40pm Gooberz.jpg:

All of this shit has moved over to Instagram now; and even there, the shark has been thoroughly jumped
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:41pm Fox:

I'd like to get that quote of Facebook = Walmart to post all over FB. Is that ok?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:41pm βrian:

Every time I drop in on instagram, I get a blank page. Then I remember to turn javascript on. That's silly.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 2/19/18 6:42pm el_musgo:

Just deleted FACEBOOK app from my phone. FEELS GOOD!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:42pm Webhamster Henry:

Fortunately we have the WFMU playlist chatboards as a FB alternative.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:43pm Gooberz.jpg:

FB is at least tolerable back in the 90s
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:43pm Fox:

Is FB harmful if you only interact with humans, and not with re-posted content?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:43pm βrian:

State-of-the-art web design these days is shite. (In my view.)
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:43pm geezerette:

You're also spending your non-refundable time.
Working for them unaware and unpaid.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:44pm Webhamster Henry:

Google + is Still There!
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:44pm Gregg:

Youtube channels that are being demonitized (like Jimmy Dore) are transitioning over to Steemit.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:44pm βrian:

Will FB reinstall that app?
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:45pm Fox:

I remember when LiveJournal and AIM and independent messageboards was how most social networking happened. I remember thinking that the internet was a place where people were thoughtful and was meant for great written expression, increasing the literacy of the common person.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:45pm northguineahills:

I use FB once a week to figure out shows in my new town. I have never had the phone app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:45pm βrian:

Some kind of open-source equivalent to FB might be interesting. Maybe Iceland could turn it's hydrothermal toward that!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:46pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Bring back Geocities!
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:47pm Gregg:

And Hamster Dance!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:47pm Mark Hurst:

Vulture.com article on Cuplicated - www.vulture.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:48pm βrian:

My favorite browser was iCab!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:48pm βrian:

... if not Lynx.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:51pm Ken From Hyde Park:

201-KEN-WFMU
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:51pm Phil with the phone:

Call in to FABULOUS studio B with your constructive input! 201-536-9368
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:51pm melinda:

I use FB on my ipod touch without the app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:52pm melinda:

The Techtonic t shirt looks good.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:53pm dstimpf:

Some phones won't even allow you to uninstall the facebook app....pretty weird.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:53pm ultradamno:

Never been on Facebook, only use Twitter on iPad mini or home computer.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:54pm queems:

i deleted facebook 6 years ago and never looked back. not sure if i can give up instagram, though
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

if you have an iOS device, and you want to use the desktop (not mobile) version of a webist, like facebook, hold the "reload" button ↻ and a menu pops up that says "Request Desktop Site" and you'll be able to pick up Facebook Messages without the app. The mobile version of Facebook's website does not allow messages!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:55pm queems:

it uses similar algorithms now though
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:55pm queems:

yepppp
Avatar Mon. 2/19/18 6:55pm Switchblade Batman:

What about Ello?
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:56pm Gooberz.jpg:

Instagram is all algorithms and ads too. Feels exactly like FB. Same thing now
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:56pm sufferwords:

never had FB on phone- feel i have to lurk on home computer as to stay abreast of modern trends- one helpful hint i have all notifications turned off
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:56pm melinda:

I just joined Instagram and it does feel sort of facebooky.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:57pm queems:

@melinda it used to be a lot different. it has been sliding into facebook territory more and more
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

That's Safari's convention .. I'm not sure if other browsers do it too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 2/19/18 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Great, the secret's out. Apple will likely turn that feature off on the next upgrade.
  Mon. 2/19/18 6:58pm SeanG:

great show!
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