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Options December 4, 2017: Nir Eyal, author of "Hooked," on building habit-forming apps

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This week, Mark interviews Nir Eyal, author of Hooked: How to Build Habit-Forming Products. Our topic: building habit-forming products and the ethics of trying to hook users.

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Listener comments!

Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:02pm Ricky:

Hey, happy to be here.
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:04pm melinda:

Hello techtons
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:06pm Mark Hurst:

Hi Ricky, hi Melinda!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:06pm Webhamster Henry:

I can't stop listening to this show.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:08pm Mark Hurst:

Happy you're here, Webhamster Henry
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:08pm northguineahills:

Webhamster Henry, you can always stop the loop (remember?)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:12pm Webhamster Henry:

The suckiness of other people's software makes me write my own.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:12pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Software that's habit forming reminds me of South Park's "Freemium Isn't Free" episode from a couple years ago.
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:13pm geezerette:

Yep, we're all addicted to WFMU and the habit forming comment
stream.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:15pm Webhamster Henry:

I thought the first rule of drug dealing is
"He gives the kids free samples
because he knows full well
that today's young innocent faces
will be tomorrow's clientele"
-- Prof. Tom Lehrer
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:15pm northguineahills:

@geezerette: I can stop any time!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:18pm geezerette:

Oh, me too!...but I always come back...:)
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:19pm melinda:

I always come back too.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:19pm Fredericks:

Free-basing heroin?
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:19pm sibeliuss:

who is this idiot? Everybody is fucking addicted to FB, just look around
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:20pm Webhamster Henry:

"Sure I can give up smoking, I've done it hundreds of times" -- numerous wags
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:20pm sibeliuss:

moron
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:21pm Webhamster Henry:

Three's a way out: get addicted to Google Plus. The methadone of social media.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:21pm Carmichael:

I'm not addicted to FB. Rarely even look at it.
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:21pm melinda:

Facebook is habit-forming even without the app.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:22pm northguineahills:

I'm on FB maybe every 7-10 days, and only use at my home laptop (not a work or my phone).
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:22pm Simon R.:

@sibeliuss - Can you call in to debate your side of this? I'm not a Facebook user. No idea what it's all about.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:22pm Fuzzy:

@sibelius: I concur.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:22pm northguineahills:

laughter OL, Webhamster Henry!
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:24pm sibeliuss:

It was a glorious day when I deleted my FB account
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:25pm sibeliuss:

But to say that this is "just new technology" completely ignores collected metric data that deliberately feeds unconscious urges
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:25pm sufferwords:

this interviewee is clueless- stick to numbers and code and let people with a modicum of empathy parse the threat of the digital age
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:26pm northguineahills:

I've never noticed the FB news feed.
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:27pm sibeliuss:

And he seems to also be unable to distinguish between his own lived experience and other peoples... classic narcissist....... sorry for getting all psychological here but come on
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:27pm Webhamster Henry:

If you are sick of Trump news, you can listen to Clay Pigeon.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:27pm Webhamster Henry:

I thought the answer is Silicone.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:28pm Bas NL:

Whenever it's referred to as a 'product' then i know i have no use for it...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:29pm coelacanth∅:

sibeliuss, you're correct. this guy's selfish and short-sighted.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:29pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@Bas - In the ice cream freezer at the grocery store, I saw something with a label like "Milk-based frozen dessert product." No thanks!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:30pm geezerette:

Most technologies are neutral, what matters is who deploys them and why.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:30pm Webhamster Henry:

Yeah! Medical care and education are real cheap due to technology!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:31pm coelacanth∅:

...and self-driving cars are a good thing? somebody's an idiot.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:31pm Bas NL:

@KenfHP: Sounds like a detergent.. :)
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:31pm geezerette:

His arguments are specious and far too glib. Arrogant as well.
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:32pm sibeliuss:

Why does he keep getting all defensive with his "i don't care about fb, i dont care about twitter"? Hmmm
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:32pm sibeliuss:

Mentioned at least ten times now!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:33pm Webhamster Henry:

Can we help you -- or can we sell you more of what you are addicted to?
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:34pm northguineahills:

Did I hear something about cake???
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:34pm Ken From Hyde Park:

More about today's guest - www.nirandfar.com
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:34pm Webhamster Henry:

#blamethevictim
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:35pm Krys O.:

I am so glad to hear this guest and I agree with his perspective. Thanks for featuring it.
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:35pm foofs:

This is like the radio stations on GTA. I keep expecting Laszlo to come on.
  Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:35pm sibeliuss:

lol northguineahills
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:36pm Webhamster Henry:

The cake is a lie.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:37pm coelacanth∅:

...not that i don't agree with anything he says.
-but i don't use a pocket computer, so...facadebook newsfeed?
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:38pm geezerette:

Except that "things" are not getting "better"; they're becoming different.
Our National Parks are being handed over yo extractive industries. I've seen the results of strip-mining.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:39pm Webhamster Henry:

FB Newsfeed is not about News, it's the firehose of posts from whomever you are following mixed with targeted ads.If you follow news sources, you'll see their posts though.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:40pm Jeff Moore:

knowyourmeme.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:40pm coelacanth∅:

or, to put it another way, g, the planet is destine to become inhabitable, fairly soon, as a result of greed and short-sightedness.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:41pm Ken From Hyde Park:

@geezerette - I'm highly dismayed, but not surprised, by the news from Utah today. Occupy Escalante!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:42pm Folsom:

I worked with a guy that went to work for Ballys. Back when they put out tokens they would tune the basket to make the loudest noise so it is obvious someone won to keep you playing.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:43pm coelacanth∅:

i do get emails about about fb "friends" activity. that's the bulk of my contact with it. if it went beyond that the simple and logical solution is to not have a fb account.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:45pm Webhamster Henry:

I noticed that in the good old days of computer gaming - via floppy disks that took a while to read - when the game was over, it would immediately jump to the PLAY AGAIN screen without needing to re-seek to the beginning of the disc.
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:46pm Phil with the phone:

Hey guys we're having some problems with the phone tonight :/
post your comments here though!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:46pm geezerette:

Fist bump, Coel.

Ken FHP, I agree.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:46pm Webhamster Henry:

in re:elf surveillance: I guess a good ol' crucifix doesn't work so well.
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:46pm rw:

Those things are fake?? My kids installed one in my room.
Avatar    Mon. 12/4/17 6:47pm ultradamno:

Way to make the 'elf on a shelf' concept creepier.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:47pm Webhamster Henry:

Cuing Irwin's version of "Santa Claus is Coming to Town"
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:47pm Ken From Hyde Park:

I'm guessing the scam is that the elf cam actually works and sends images back to headquarters.
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:48pm Mark Hurst:

Here's the AirBNB story on Twitter -
twitter.com...
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:49pm geezerette:

Folsom,analogy to gaming industry is apt.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:51pm Webhamster Henry:

My air B&B running pal has an internet camera, but outside the door so he can scurry home when the guests arrive, which is very useful!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:51pm coelacanth∅:

i'd have fun with that camera; then destroy it...AND i'd sue their ass.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:51pm JakeGould:

This thing? www.amazon.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:52pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Make sure the phone switch is in "mono."
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:53pm JakeGould:

• Encourage good behaviour this Christmas from your little ones!
• Elfie is watching and reporting to Santa good or bad behaviour!
• Features a red flashing light that makes it all that more real.
• Sure to keep the children in line.
• Requires: 2 x AA Batteries (not included)
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:53pm cosmic matrix:

I like this one the best --> www.amazon.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:54pm Webhamster Henry:

@mark yep: it's addictive framing and Nir is probably not even conscious of it himself.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:54pm JakeGould:

The Elf on the box says, “Hey! I’m watching you.” images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:56pm Folsom:

Daniel Blumin is part of the Bluminati!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:56pm mr_mike:

Thanks for bringing on your guest. I disagree with him. Thank you Web Henry
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm Folsom:

Techions? Tech and Tonics?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Technovites
  Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm Gio the Engineer:

Help DJ Markus Aurelius Hurst assemble the techtonic resistance
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm coelacanth∅:

i like being called a techton as much as i like being called "a motorist" (as opposed to "a person")
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm melinda:

@Folsom I like Bluminauts too
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm Carmichael:

Proud to be Luddite!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm geezerette:

Ha ha, "addicts".
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:57pm Webhamster Henry:

Oh man, Polkal Fry coming up!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm melinda:

@coel sorry
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm coelacanth∅:

(Folsom i collect royalties on that. thank you)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm Webhamster Henry:

I, an old tech head, am VERY wary of the "Tech solution"
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm geezerette:

mmmmm...kielbasa...
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm Bas NL:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:58pm Ken From Hyde Park:

Tech-mooers
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:59pm Webhamster Henry:

Techtons is OK, Techtones would be good if you played more music.
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:59pm coelacanth∅:

melinda, just kidding!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 6:59pm geezerette:

Ha! Ken! :D
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 6:59pm coelacanth∅:

Thanks Mark!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 6:59pm Mark Hurst:

Thanks, everyone! Sorry for the phone issues. Appreciate you keeping the discussion going here. Tech-mooers, good one :)
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 7:00pm Webhamster Henry:

Hear ya next week! Dzienkuje!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 7:00pm geezerette:

Melinda, "Techtons" is brilliant!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 7:00pm Bas NL:

Techtons +1
Avatar    Mon. 12/4/17 7:01pm Chris J:

G'night, Shifters!
Avatar Mon. 12/4/17 7:03pm geezerette:

Hey Bas!
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 7:03pm Bas NL:

Hi geezerette!
Avatar Swag For Life Member Mon. 12/4/17 7:04pm Webhamster Henry:

Music for the Wojtechtonics!
Avatar    Mon. 12/4/17 7:07pm ultradamno:

Somebody running late today?
Avatar Swag For Life Member    Mon. 12/4/17 7:10pm melinda:

@geeze thanks!
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