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Favoriting April 21, 2013

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Artist Track Album Approx. start time
Ektroverde  [Track 1]   Favoriting Arpeggio  0:00:00 (Pop-up)
Acid Mothers Temple Family  Shizuku No Youni   Favoriting Do Whatever You Want, Don't Do Whatever You Don't Want!!  0:05:47 (Pop-up)
Peter Principle  Tippi Rider/Pandemonium   Favoriting Sedimental Journey  0:09:35 (Pop-up)
Electric Company  Andy Linear   Favoriting Omakase  0:15:30 (Pop-up)
Jah Wobble & Keith Levene  Strut   Favoriting Yin & Yang  0:18:11 (Pop-up)
 
Noël Akchoté  Melvins   Favoriting Sonny II  0:29:29 (Pop-up)
Electric Eels  Agitated   Favoriting God Says Fuck You  0:33:51 (Pop-up)
The Deviants  Billy the Monster   Favoriting The Deviants  0:34:21 (Pop-up)
Anika  I Go to Sleep   Favoriting EP  0:37:57 (Pop-up)
Jewlia Eisenberg  Sicily   Favoriting Trilectic  0:41:48 (Pop-up)
 
Keith Tippett Group  Thank You for the Smile   Favoriting You Are Here... I Am There  0:55:11 (Pop-up)
Wadada Leo Smith  Malik Al Shabazz and the People of the Shahada   Favoriting Ten Freedom Summers  0:58:30 (Pop-up)
The Muffins  Monkey with the Golden Eyes   Favoriting Manna/Mirage  1:03:58 (Pop-up)
Ron Geesin  From an Electric Train   Favoriting A Raise of Eyebrows  1:06:35 (Pop-up)
 
Clara Rockmore  Nocturne in C-sharp minor (Chopin)   Favoriting Lost Theremin Album  1:15:52 (Pop-up)
Wang Zhipeng  Poetics of Disillusion   Favoriting V/A: Sound Art China: Revolutions per Minute  1:20:12 (Pop-up)
Alfred Bizarro to be Exactly  Techno Nashville   Favoriting One Way Doomsday Trip To Nowhere - The Complete Recordings 1996-1998  1:23:53 (Pop-up)
Teeth of the Sea  Horses with Hands   Favoriting Your Mercury  1:31:10 (Pop-up)
Deuter  Der Turm / Fluchpunkt   Favoriting D  1:34:53 (Pop-up)
 
Little Annie/Baby Dee  Paincheck   Favoriting State of Grace  1:46:04 (Pop-up)
Badfinger  No Matter What   Favoriting No Dice  1:50:28 (Pop-up)
Bonobo  Heaven for the Sinner   Favoriting The North Borders  1:52:04 (Pop-up)
Philip Perkins  Equinox Weather   Favoriting Neighborhood With a Sky (Bird Variations)  1:56:07 (Pop-up)
Milcho Leviev  Ice Cream Truck   Favoriting Bulgarian Piano Blues  1:58:46 (Pop-up)
 
Einstürzende Neubauten  Kalte Sterne   Favoriting Kalte Sterne: Early Recordings  2:07:44 (Pop-up)
Dial  White Lie   Favoriting 168k  2:13:02 (Pop-up)
Tomoko Sauvage  Mylapore   Favoriting Ombrophilia  2:16:12 (Pop-up)
Aethenor  Dream Tassels   Favoriting En Form For Blå  2:20:52 (Pop-up)
Alterations  Berlin 4   Favoriting Voila Enough!  2:27:56 (Pop-up)
 
Reinhold Friedl  Music in Fifths   Favoriting Mutanza  2:37:45 (Pop-up)
Gabriel Fauré  Piano Quartet No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 15, 2nd mvt   Favoriting Piano Quartets  2:42:27 (Pop-up)
Pierre Berthet  Part 3   Favoriting Extended Loudspeakers  2:48:51 (Pop-up)
Alvarius B & Cerberous Shoal  Blood Baby   Favoriting The Vim & Vigour of Alvarius B. and Cerberus Shoal  2:55:15 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

Avatar 9:02pm
Dave Mandl:

Good evening and welcome, everyone.
Avatar 9:05pm
Jeff:

And good evening to you.
Avatar 9:06pm
Dave Mandl:

Hey Jeff. Good avatar.
Avatar 9:06pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Evening, Mr. Mandl.
...Lately, people seem to be waiting each other out on Posting 1st - ??...
Avatar 9:07pm
Dave Mandl:

Hey, RR. Should I give out a reward for first post?
Avatar 9:09pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...other posts by the time I said it!
...Chiller than I know AMTemple for (not that I know much)...
Avatar 9:10pm
fleep:

Good evening, Dave. @RRN Maybe it's like being first to show up at a party. Fashionably late etc.
Avatar 9:11pm
Dave Mandl:

Evening, Fleep. That's the advantage of radio over live music. A 9:00 radio show starts at 9. A 9:00 concert starts at 11:30.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:15pm
G:

I'm post-posting
Avatar 9:17pm
Dave Mandl:

Please Mr. Post-Postman
Avatar 9:19pm
Droll:

I think I'll stop using the term "lurking" and go back to the old fashioned phrase "listening".
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:19pm
BDR:

Clickclick.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:21pm
G:

Every track you play
I'll be hearing you
Avatar 9:22pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Excited about the Drummer Throwdown - !
...I'm sure a reminder about Time & Details is forthcoming...

...Reflections on last week's drumbo discussions:

- Subtext that emerges is that Drummers are kinda Underrated in General...

...I think it relevant that The Who are beloved more of Punks & that sort (Moon kinda the Prototype Punk Drummer)
- whilst Zep much more by Metalheads & others...
...since there is this sortof Beatles-Stones thang w/ the Who&Zep - & Moon & Bonzo...
...Myself - I'd put up 'Live @ Leeds' to anything Zep did
- & The Who came 1st anyhow
...as did The Yardbirds, for that matter - & Cream
...Jeff Beck Group - & Small Faces were a bit relevant as Zep Influence
- how often do ZepFans discuss them?
...I get ticked when I see a book about Zep & where they come from & TheWho aren't even mentioned - that's all. It was either Moon or Entwihstle (lore is murky) who even *named* LedZep: One version of the fairlytale is Beck & Page were fed up w/ the Yardbirds, & The Who were always on thin ice w/ each other, so Moon & Entwhistle would join them & *that* was going to be the band originally: Moon was going to *be* Bonzo, in a sense...
...mucho longwinded here...
Avatar 9:27pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Irwin mentioned it I think!
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:28pm
BDR:

Dave kisses Irwin: "I know it was you." Havana descends into chaotic revolution.
Avatar 9:31pm
Dave Mandl:

Ah. I didn't realize Irwin mentioned it. That's fine. The idea was suggested by someone on this very chat board last Sunday. Sorry, I forget who it was, but thanks.
Avatar 9:32pm
Droll:

Yes, Irwin's the one who can't keep a secret. The upside is now we know all the best stuff he has planned so you can prepare some defensive maneuvers.
Avatar 9:32pm
Dave Mandl:

Anyway, the three of us are excited. Should be a really good show. And what Irwin didn't mention is that I've come up with a name for it.
Avatar 9:32pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...then there's not listening but lurking on the CommentsBoard - & most likely being lured into Commenting - which makes me feel distinctly guilty...
Avatar 9:33pm
Dave Mandl:

@Droll: Putting my defenses in place now.
Avatar 9:34pm
Droll:

DM, Would you like a drum roll before you announce the name?
Avatar 9:34pm
Dave Mandl:

Anyway, I'll tell you my tentative title: "People Who Only Need a Beat"
Avatar 9:34pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Drummers :
1.) Keep Time.
2.) Hit Things.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:34pm
Blacktooth:

Dude, from some nylon-string peacefulness to the grating, snotty buzz-saw of Electric Eels? This show is ruling tonight!!!
  Swag For Life Member 9:35pm
12539:

I'm late!
Avatar 9:35pm
Droll:

RRN, You forgot "Show up late" and "Puke onstage"!
Avatar 9:35pm
Dave Mandl:

@Blacktooth: Why, thanks.
Avatar 9:36pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...hard to say whom pioneered that Droll...
Avatar 9:38pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...deeply immersed in 'Ptooff!' but know *this* Deviants not...
Avatar 9:40pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...on that tack, Droll - Another thing about Drummers:
- Especially Physical. Hard on them. Shows in reunions/revivals...
Avatar 9:44pm
Dave Mandl:

@12539: Better late than never. Much better.
Avatar 9:45pm
dk:

jewlia eisenberg makes a strong case for sicilian tourism with that pizza argument.
Avatar 9:45pm
Droll:

RRN, Charlie Watts is not a super-physical rock drummer.
One of the loudest, fastest drummers I ever saw was some jazz dinosaur at least 70 years old. Played with both ends of the sticks so he hardly moved his arms, almost entirely wrist player. But he could unleash a Dennis Chambers scale bomb on demand.
Avatar 9:47pm
Droll:

Pretenders
Avatar 9:48pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- good point - sometimes a drummer will get more plodding when he diminishes...more noticeable in Jazz?...
Avatar 9:53pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Charlie Watts a total Jazzbo, of course.
- Keith Richards YouTube on Zep:
www.youtube.com...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:58pm
Blacktooth:

Was that riffing on Roland Kirk's "Volunteered Slavery" riff of "Hey Jude?" Or am I just crawling up my own musical butt?
Avatar 9:58pm
Dave Mandl:

Droll: You mean "I Go to Sleep"? Yes, but written by Ray Davies, I think. Better known as a Pretenders song, though, I guess.
Avatar 9:59pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No one has said Elvin Jones yet.
...Tony Williams, Roy Haynes...hell, in general Jazz Drummers are proof God loves us & wants us to be Happy...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:00pm
Blacktooth:

Max Roach
Avatar 10:00pm
Dave Mandl:

Well, it was Hey Jude, definitely. Not sure about the Kirk connection.
Avatar 10:01pm
Dave Mandl:

Well, I can't reveal any more names, but I think some of those drummers will be included.
Avatar 10:02pm
Dave Mandl:

If you know me, you know I've got to include the great great Clive Bunker. Ditto for Evan and Jerry Shirley.
Avatar 10:02pm
tomB:

Dave,what's the title again for the British 60s leftfield music book? I'll put it next to Lipstick Traces, the other one you told me about.
Avatar 10:04pm
Dave Mandl:

@tomB:
www.amazon.com...
Avatar 10:17pm
tomB:

That same Ron Geesin also shows up in a comic book.
Avatar 10:18pm
Dave Mandl:

Really?!
Avatar 10:22pm
Dave Mandl:

Geesin produced a Bridget St. John LP, and it's absolutely great.
Avatar 10:23pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- lyrical touch on the theremin!

...I wonder - ? - a bit if in fact it isn't so much about 'less than 2%' as being okay w/ better Prog &/or Fusion - esp. undeservedly lesserknown stuff?
...I *kinda* think Prog's only gotta bad name because mainstream people think it's overplayed Styx or Kansas trax in the 1st place (well - general overindulgence); prettymuch anybody both Smart & a RockFan likes some 'Prog' anyhow...
Avatar 10:26pm
Dave Mandl:

I agree with you on Styx and Kansas. Imposters.
Avatar 10:28pm
Droll:

The debate about Kansas being prog is ongoing. Styx was never considered prog, lacking: flue solos, 7/8 time signature, Mellotron, everyone-solo-at-once, album-side length songs, elfin voiced singing about space, etc. etc. There's *NO* prog in Styx. Kansas has at least some of those.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:28pm
G:

All they are is schlock in the wind :)
Avatar 10:30pm
Dave Mandl:

@Droll: True. The term "prog" has been distorted over the years. I hated Kansas, but they were obviously trying to copy Yes (good luck with that).
Avatar 10:31pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...altho' I also haven't known this Program a really long time...
- trying to Google 'Ron Geesin comic book' - & might be more than I wanna get into right now...
  10:32pm
Destroit:

thumbs up to techno Nashville. That was great.
Avatar 10:32pm
Droll:

Starcastle was obviously trying to copy Yes (did a fine job, actually). I think prog already had a bad enough name by the disco era that it didn't require further distorting. The smear campaign never ended, though. Well maybe, Rush got inducted into the RRHoFaM.
Avatar 10:35pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...& the RRHoFaM starts to feel as baffling as the Grammys...
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:39pm
Andrew Waterloo:

Something by Rush must have seemed middle-of-the-road enough to make it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:47pm
G:

Some Rush could pass for 80s hairband music

Meanwhile, Genesis got int too, for the poprock

There really is a big personal animus between Yes and Ertegun -- check Anderson's lyrics at the beginning of the ABWH album. Ertegun was the main force behind founding the RNRHF.

There is RNRHF animus also from the pro-punk rock writers who are still stuck on hating Yes back in 75-76 or so, as a way of getting punk off the ground. I get it, but is there no statute of limitations?
Avatar 10:47pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...well - 'less than 2% rock and roll' prob. makes it's point just fine
...but I *am* saying I'm upfront I don't mind a bit hearing underheard & deserving Prog & Fusion.
Avatar 10:48pm
fleep:

Threepenny Opera-ish
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:50pm
Blacktooth:

Say what you want to, this song always kind of kicks out the jams.
Avatar 10:50pm
Droll:

2%!!!
Ahmet died a few years ago, maybe the time is near?
Avatar 10:51pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Are the MC5 in the RNRHF - but Rush is? Whatever - but it doesn't speak for me.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:52pm
G:

It speaks for whoever controls the rules and the voting
Avatar 10:53pm
Dave Mandl:

fleep: Yes, that Little Annie disc is extremely Brecht/Weill.
Avatar 10:54pm
Dave Mandl:

Badfinger. C'mon, they were great. Almost better than the Beatles.
Avatar 10:55pm
fleep:

G: It's rigged? I'm shocked. Shocked.
Avatar 10:55pm
Dave Mandl:

I guess no one caught the subtle trick I pulled with the Badfinger song?
  10:55pm
bloopy:

come and get it
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:56pm
G:

Yeah, hard to believe, huh ...
Avatar 10:56pm
Droll:

DM, The extra long pause?
Avatar 10:57pm
Dave Mandl:

Yup. Good catch. I didn't know how obvious it was.
Avatar 10:57pm
fleep:

I thought it was the laptop buffering. Ha!
Avatar 10:57pm
Droll:

I was singing along at home and sounded (more) ridiculous.
Avatar 10:58pm
Dave Mandl:

Haha. I would have completely panicked.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:58pm
G:

Insert Cage's 4:33 there and everyone would notice
Avatar 11:00pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...no New York Dolls in the RnRHoF?...nevermind...
- Badfinger/Beatles - not an accident of course. The Beatles were pretty much ceasing to be The Beatles by then.
...On the efd/Clay PowerPop throwdown - I think it was Caryn who noted that Power Pop not an esp. commercially successful Genre. Often thot it odd that Beatles are the Biggest Thing Ever, but not the Beatlesque. The Badfinger story is a very very sad one. Some of it is just pure Luck - like The Beatles found a truly caring Manager - *&* a Producer.
- Likewise - people who were too 'Hendrixy' too soon after Hendrix turned the buying public &/or critics off...
Avatar 11:02pm
Droll:

Pshaw! Power pop and prog are two of the most enduring rock genres.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03pm
G:

with apologies to Faulkner's Nobel address, enduring but not prevailing
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:03pm
Andrew Waterloo:

I doubt MC5 will ever make in into the RRHOF. They are just too counter to mainstream sensibility.
Avatar 11:05pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

- yeah - thot it was buffering!

...well - Post-Modern, it's a mosaic of any Style(s) anyone wants anyhow...
Avatar 11:07pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

You're on it G you literate fellow you.
Avatar 11:10pm
Dave Mandl:

I wouldn't be surprised if the MC5 were inducted. That's the kind of thing they would do--completely ignore them at the time and then make it look like they were hip to them all along. It happens so often.
  11:10pm
william.h:

ahh looks like that annie anxiety autobiography is already OOP. :(
Avatar 11:12pm
Dave Mandl:

Huh? I thought it was just a few months old.
Avatar 11:13pm
Dave Mandl:

"You Can't Sing the Blues While Drinking Milk"
Avatar 11:14pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Andre W - that's it exactly:
- What is the relation between Rock & 'mainstream sensibility' ?
...Commercial Rebel Music - what a quaint concept it all is suddenly...one just to has to say that Rock was never about asking for permission in the 1st place & carry on w/ one's own Cultural MicroCosm...
Avatar 11:17pm
fleep:

RRN: Benjamins
Avatar 11:17pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

DaveM @ 11:10 - bang.
  11:18pm
william.h:

maybe the little annie book just isnt available on amazon currently. she's always seemed fascinating and awesome so i bet that would be a great read!
Avatar 11:21pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

neato tonalities

- 'benjamin' fleep?...Code for 'you're commenting too much dude' ? : )
Avatar 11:22pm
fleep:

RRN: Oh no, as in Franklin, the inventor of the hundred dollar bill. That's why he's on it.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:23pm
G:

benjamins is common urban slang for hundred dollar bills, or sizable money generally, RR63
Avatar 11:24pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Money. Right.
- Don't see him much - & I'm a cashier...
  11:25pm
tahomajohn:

roots...^... & .**$
Avatar 11:25pm
Droll:

Benjamins is hip-hop lingo. I don't know how to tell you this, RRN, but rock music is dead. The kids all listen to hippity-hop pantsag music now. Nobody plays any instrument that requires practice, they loop sound effects on a portable computer.
  11:26pm
tahomajohn:

Copper is moving up big in the market. Arkansas?
Avatar 11:26pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Yup. No more strings.
Avatar 11:28pm
Dave Mandl:

I think that's true about rock music. Probably the only way most kids hear it is through their parents.
Avatar 11:28pm
fleep:

(Pulls up pants) Too hippity-hop for the room...
  11:28pm
tahomajohn:

Now, back to the smelter. The scent of brass.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:29pm
Andrew Waterloo:

People don't even sing any more, the vocals are just animated.
Avatar 11:29pm
tomB:

Turned computer back on to follow playlist. after being jarred by alt Badfinger, only to discover it was all a HOAX! A subliminal promo for the drummer special?
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:29pm
G:

Instruments will come back in a few decades among a minuscule coterie. Like artisanal pickle making.
Avatar 11:31pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

...are those holographic cartoon concerts (Japanese?) getting traction?...
Avatar 11:32pm
Droll:

I would argue rock music died when the people playing rock also grew up with it. Assume rock "starts" with Elvis, the generation that grows up knowing only rock is dominating FM by 1980. DJing and rap started around that time. Coincidence?
Avatar 11:34pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

No Droll, not coincidence.
G @11:29: What FMU Culture is now?
Avatar 11:35pm
Kurt Gottschalk:

that "alterations" was beautiful! how've i not hears that before?
Avatar 11:36pm
fleep:

Each mainstreaming gives rise to the next rebellion.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:36pm
Andrew Waterloo:

I think Rock 'n roll died when fans became preoccupied with authenticity and started rejecting any advancement as fake and too easy to do. Then everybody grew up around them.
  11:36pm
tahomajohn:

exo-sellent
  Swag For Life Member 11:36pm
12539:

Rock and Roll died because of a well hidden conspiracy among DJs to play no more than 2% on their shows.
Avatar 11:37pm
tomB:

To me, Yes &Genesis are as tedious as Styx &Kansas. Now, Nektar! That's great prog.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:37pm
G:

@RR63: Well, look at the shows on FMU that follow current music in various rock genres, none of which appear on mainstream stations (which in cities and major suburbs cover club music, urban contemporary, and old rock music)
Avatar 11:40pm
Dave Mandl:

@12539: Gulp.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:42pm
Andrew Waterloo:

@12539 I know one of the local rock station DJs. He said he doesn't even care about the music, the station owner programs it, and that guys is stuck in 1995
Avatar 11:44pm
Droll:

tomB, By Yes, do you mean Tales of Topographical Oceans or 90125? And by Genesis do you mean Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or Abacab?
Avatar 11:45pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

HipHop starts w/ DJ Herc Brooklyn '72??
- When they talk about Roots of Rap & don't mention DubReggae toasting - I wonder where their heads are @...
- In the beginning, HipHop was talking about Urban Realities *no one else* was talking about *@ all* - except maybe journalists no one read or a few hardcore Punks.
...Then became Bling SelfAggrandizement - which reflected the Reality also.
- One Movement contains seed of another, of course. Or rather - Rap became the New Rebellion - & then the New Establishment, of course. Some of those guys made incomprehensible bank.
...Urban talk to Soundtrack of Gabriel Urbain Fauré. The juxtapostion somewhat Clockwork Orange...
Avatar 11:50pm
tomB:

While I was offline looking for the Ron Geesin comic, I found an earlier issue I hadn't read. The series is Matt Howarth's Savage Henry o/o Langhorne & Jenkintown PA, but published in Livonia MI. Geesin is a major character, but so is his son, Fraser, as well as Conrad Schnitzler. But this was back in '95. Let me know if you want more detail, and I can provide next week after I actually read #1 (can't remember too much from the other issue.)
Avatar 11:51pm
fleep:

The air is full of cricket noise tonight, listening al fresco. The cricket noises are mixing with the Berthet perfectly.
Avatar 11:53pm
Dave Mandl:

Great! Where are you located again?
Avatar 11:53pm
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Oh - Matt Howarth - !
...Used to see him in 'Heavy Metal' - the comics mag.
- Streets beyond the other stuff!
Avatar 11:54pm
tomB:

@Droll There's a difference indeed between the LPs you mention, but to me it's all tedious! Maybe I'd feel different if they disappeared after one LP.
Avatar 11:55pm
fleep:

Dave: Studio City, which is more bucolic in parts than you'd think.
Avatar 11:56pm
Dave Mandl:

Right, I remember. Yes, I love it there. Was there a few years ago.
Avatar 11:57pm
Dave Mandl:

I don't like to drive, so I wouldn't survive in LA.
Avatar 12:00am
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

I lived in Santa Barbara 16 years.
...Rich people go wherever they want whenever they want...
  Swag For Life Member 12:00am
12539:

Thanks Dave!
Avatar 12:01am
Revolution Rabbit Nov63:

Thx DM.
Avatar 12:01am
Dave Mandl:

Hey, thanks for listening/typing folks. Have a great week.
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