Ken | Playlist | 01 August 2007

Wed. 8/1/07 9:22am From: j frank parnell

Moir Darammaz? Def Polish:
http://www.mikmusik.org/musik/artists.php?artist_id=2&lang=1

Wed. 8/1/07 9:23am From: bwalker

russendisko!
Don't know that one.. I was telling you about Russensoul

go Trikont

Wed. 8/1/07 9:29am From: Ken

Thanks J Frank.. can you tell me the title of track five also? I like this system of reverse playlistery...

Wed. 8/1/07 9:31am From: ali

i <3 minimalism...

Wed. 8/1/07 9:31am From: fightingJCityStyle

Moir Drammaz. Thinking they are from Poland (based on quick google search)

"Review by Frans de Waard (Vital Weekly 263 - a newsletter of Staalplaat Records):
"Wojt3k belongs to the people behind the Polish band Moir Drammaz (who have a couple of releases on Open Circuit) and works as a visual artist and runs the Mik Musik label. However this is his first solo release. Even when some people out there think that Poland is still a remote area, Wojt3k proofs he's been catching up with the latest stuff on electronica, more particulary microwave and click music. He presents us very clinical pieces, pieces that enter a groove, a mode and continue inside that mode. Clicks remain clicks, and rhythms never become danceable. Unclear wether these clicks are derived from digital sources or from good old analogue synths. Wojt3k manages to keep his pieces short and despite some repetition, his release is varied enough to hold ones attention throughout. And some of these sounds are inspiring enough (or should that be "empty enough"?) to attempt remixing or reworking? Maybe Mik Musik could start a series of likewise releases. Arty package too, blue transparant box and small edition, 55 copies only...""

Wed. 8/1/07 9:33am From: j frank parnell

No Problem - I was looking for a way to buy it, and found one (http://wsm.serpent.pl/sklep/album.php?alb_id=1029)
and the track is called, as if it helps until you get a Polish translator:
"czy znasz mnie czy nie?"

Wed. 8/1/07 9:40am From: fightingJCityStyle

possible

"czy znasz mnie czy nie?" = If (or) you know me if (or) not

or play more Moir Drammaz

Wed. 8/1/07 9:40am From: ken

So, to pick up where we left off last week - do any web designers feel like taking a shot at designing a new version of this playlist page, with 3 frames instead of the current two, so that the most recent comment and the most recent song dont need to be separated? The only additional requirement is that this change would need to be applicable to all WFMU playlist pages, not just this one.

Wed. 8/1/07 9:51am From: Chuck

I would do it but I dont know what a frame is. Or how to make a web page. Or how to read good.

Wed. 8/1/07 9:51am From: Pat

Why not just add another small frame to the right of what you have? Keep in mind though that these frames are hell on search engines. You could be searching for Frans de Waard in Google and just end up with the comments.

Wed. 8/1/07 9:52am From: The Framinator

Finally, a topic I can sink my teeth into. The more frames the better, I always say.

Wed. 8/1/07 9:54am From: Trish

If someone just wants to design it, I'll code it in css/html.

Wed. 8/1/07 9:56am From: woj

mmmmmmmm melons

Wed. 8/1/07 9:58am From: Melon Lover

Whether growing or buying melons, it is discouraging to select melons which are not ripe, and most people prefer melons which are ripe and freshly picked from the garden.

Watermelons give you several clues as to when to harvest. Observe the tendril, a small curly stem (pigtail) on the watermelon vine directly opposite the point where the melon is attached to the vine. When the melon ripens, this tendril dries and turns brown or gray. The melon also develops a "soil spot" where the melon sits on the soil, unless you periodically turn the melon. Don't turn the melon, because you want to use this soil spot to determine ripeness in the melon. When the melon is immature, the spot is greenish or white. As the melon ripens the spot develops a cream or yellowish color. This indicates ripeness. Thumping the melon to determine ripeness is difficult. However, people with a musician's ear may wish to choose their watermelon by thumping it. A dull thud sound indicates ripeness, or perhaps over-ripeness. A ringing sound heard when the melon is thumped indicates an unripe melon.

The method with the greatest chance of success for choosing a ripe watermelon is "plugging," or cutting a plug out of the melon to look at the flesh just beyond the rind. Some watermelon sellers will plug melons for you, others do not. Plugging is not acceptable practice in the grocery store unless the produce manager does it for you. In the garden, plugging ruins the watermelon if it is not ripe.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:09am From: pat

Phil's baby--Man I just can't believe this isn't a hoax. It has to be fake. It's just too good...

Wed. 8/1/07 10:10am From: Jane in Tenafly

This is kind of creepy, is something bad going to happen?

Wed. 8/1/07 10:13am From: Derek

This really sounds like a short story. I can't escape from the feeling that some kind of disaster is coming.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:22am From: John from Oslo

Kelly Johnson passed away in July- Lead guitarist of Girlschool during the early 1980s.
All-female groups have always been a rarity in rock music. One of the best was Girlschool, which combined a heavy metal sound with a punk sensibility in their early 1980s heyday. The group's outstanding instrumentalist was lead guitarist Kelly Johnson, who has died of cancer of the spine, aged 49. Read the obituary in The Guardian.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:29am From: mark

Cerberus Shoal: Ding Beautiful. Thanks. Mark

Wed. 8/1/07 10:31am From: John from Oslo

Of Race With the Devil and Johnson's trenchant guitar playing, the eminent rock guitarist Jeff Beck was quoted as saying he "couldn't believe it was a girl playing", a remark described by the DJ John Peel as the most sexist comment he had ever heard.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:33am From: Derek

mark, was about to say the same thing. That "found sound" followed by the Cerberus Shoal & Alvarius B was pure radio bliss.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:38am From: Listener John

RE: "Mit klingelingeling": That krautrock sure has changed a lot over the years from those early days!

Wed. 8/1/07 10:42am From: dei xhrist

hello from Hampton NH, USA. Which culturally IS a country different from Orange NJ.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:44am From: John from Oslo

whoha! Girlschool! Thanks Ken

Wed. 8/1/07 10:46am From: Buz

Hola, from overcast Los Angeles -- I'm in for helping with the HTML/CSS/Javascript/Whatever... ...good god, I AM a geek (fresh realization)

Wed. 8/1/07 10:52am From: Ken

Thanks for all the offers on the new playlist design - what we really need is the design, not the coding which would need to be done by Kenzo anyway.

Wed. 8/1/07 10:57am From: Doctor B.

Your show is truly sample-delic today! (You know you're getting old when you recognize the songs people have cribbed samples from!) Keep spinning good stuph like this, and I'll be happy!

Wed. 8/1/07 11:13am From: Buz

Design it is! Just email mock-ups/comps to Ken Garson?

Another fine show: any Clash (LondonBooted) sop is cheating, but effective. I'm a sucker for pandering...

Wed. 8/1/07 11:18am From: Ken

Buz - The ideal way to submit a design is to post it on a server and e-mail me the URL to ken at wfmu dot org but if you can't post it on a server then send me a jpeg of the design as an attachment.

Wed. 8/1/07 11:22am From: Trish

Go Buz!

Wed. 8/1/07 11:36am From: spacehoof

i don't like jesus

Wed. 8/1/07 11:37am From: NEGATOR

hOW COME alot of gospel songs talk about penetration of some kind? After awhile it seems clear they want GOD rod...

Wed. 8/1/07 11:37am From: Jesus

But I am rather fond of you...

Wed. 8/1/07 11:38am From: NEGATOR

Do me Jeebus!

Wed. 8/1/07 11:46am From: Kenzo

Quick note on Pat's "frames are hell on search engines" comment: That's why the playlist page turns back into a non-frames-oriented page as soon as the show is finished. I only go into frames temporarily.

Wed. 8/1/07 11:49am From: ali

i know people mostly hate the idea of iframes,

but what if the play list and the comment box were in iframes of their own, that would allow them to dynamically update without making the whole page flash.

Wed. 8/1/07 11:53am From: Buz

this may be the first time geek-speak -- overlayed with whatever the hell ken is playing -- is cool, so ... Ali, you're suggesting, perhaps an AJAX approach... sorry, this track is awesome!

Wed. 8/1/07 11:55am From: Kenzo

The problems with an iframes-based solution (which I considered):
1) Not going to work reliably in every browser.
2) Still makes the user scroll all over the place to get between totally different kinds of content.

My ideal design, assuming no pop-up for entering comments, is the 3-frames one. I'd stick the comments along the right side in their own frame, and keep the comments box at the bottom. I think what Ken F. must be asking for is a more broad pretty-fying of the generic playlist pages.

Buz: ali's iframes suggestion isn't quite AJAX. I also considered an AJAX approach but it suffers even more from the mixed browser support issue. I would consider it unacceptable if a playlist page didn't function on even one browser. (* The text-based browsers Lynx and Links DO support regular frames!)

Wed. 8/1/07 11:56am From: ali

not necessarily ajax oriented, just with those stupid iframes, so they could be set inside a page. and yes this track is great, i think its cause the broad is laughing so much.

Wed. 8/1/07 11:58am From: Kenzo

P.S. For the record, if it weren't for compatibility concerns, I would MUCH prefer an AJAX solution on Accuplaylists in general. Having the page reload over and over is a bit wasteful.

Wed. 8/1/07 11:59am From: Sara

One thought to add to the playlist design discussion -- I don't know how other browsers behave, but in Safari every time the playlist is updated the page reloads with the scroll position back at the top so that you have to scroll down to the bottom every time you want to see the current song. Is it possible to make the page automatically reload with the scroll position at the bottom of the page length instead? This way if you have the playlist and the comments in separate frames (say, one above the other, and then the comments form in a frame beneath them so the screen is split into 3 horizontal bands) and they both reload in this manner, you'd always be looking at the most recent song and the most recent comment, and wouldn't need to worry about interleaving them or placing them side by side or anything fancy like that...

Wed. 8/1/07 12:02pm From: Kenzo

Sara: It does seem to work differently in different browsers. I had considered an anchor-jump solution to try to head off that issue, but maybe I didn't consider it long enough. Thanks for your report!

Wed. 8/1/07 12:08pm From: pat

[after show, to Kenzo and his note about search engines] Oh.

Wed. 8/1/07 12:42pm From: doron

The vast majority of people who come to the site have browsers that support AJAX and it's become somewhat ubiquitous w/ thing like Google Maps, Youtube, etc. I think once you go down the road of trying to provide a rich media experience AJAX makes a lot more sense then reloading frames.

Random suggestions:

you might consider letting people sort if they want the oldest song on top or the newest with a "sort" button.

For comments, You Tube has a decent approach where newest comments come first but you can jump to the oldest.

I think the current design (in terms of layout) is really functional. I would go for song list on top w/ new songs sliding in below, a list of comments with new ones sliding in below, and a form that allows you to verify the post via ajax at the bottom. In an ideal world it would be great to not have to re-load the page.

Congrats on getting the live commenting going by the way... It's a really great feature.

Wed. 8/1/07 1:14pm From: Ken

Sara - I'm unclear why that's a problem - while the show is in progress, the song that is currently playing always appears at the top of the list of songs.

Wed. 8/1/07 3:01pm From: Sara

Hi Ken -- this is true, and it appears in my iTunes window as well. But I always wind up looking at the playlist to see other details that don't show up on top, or to see what the song before was, or to copy the complete text into my ever-growing list of intriguing and fabulous things I've heard on WFMU that I want to look into further or buy. So it's gotten to be kind of a reflex for me to just use the playlist, I guess...

Wed. 8/1/07 5:56pm From: fatty jubbo

jesus...Phil's Baby is really other-worldly and haunting. It almost sounds like a page from the Wild at Heart script. Where did the audio come from?

Wed. 8/1/07 6:30pm From: Lipwak

I thought it was Bronwyn at a younger age doing the Phil's Baby bit.

Cheers,

Lipwak

Wed. 8/1/07 8:53pm From: Ken

Fatty - According to The Relay Project, Jaime Fillmore found it in her Grandfather's attic.

Thu. 8/2/07 10:35am From: Sara

Ken, what is that picture of?

Thu. 8/2/07 10:42am From: Ken

Hi Sara - That is a picture of the Maunsell Sea Forts in the UK:

http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/maunsell_towers.htm

-Ken

Sun. 8/5/07 3:25am From: LelandM

I love the Munsel Sea Forts! It's so DADA!

I love Cerberus Shoal's Ding. It has been on my mind all week, and I keep replaying it. It's like Bolero for the DIY singer. And the singer sounds like Alanis Morisette. (sp). Love.

Mon. 8/6/07 6:13am From: Poutre Apparente

Molr Drammaz
(correct spelling use a polish character which is a crossed out l and not a i, and corresponding to a w ...)
is indeed a polish band. You can find more info at
http://www.mikmusik.org/musik/artists.php?artist_id=2&lang=1

Tue. 3/4/08 6:50am From: Doctor.boogie

The above image of the fort belongs to me, there is no link to the orginal and no credit to me. I hold the copywrite and you now need to remove the image, thank you

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