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February 21, 2022: Kelly Weill, author, "Off the Edge: Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything"
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Today: Kelly Weill, author, "Off the Edge: Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything"
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• Off the Edge: Flat Earthers, Conspiracy Culture, and Why People Will Believe Anything, by Kelly Weill
• @KellyWeill (Twitter)
• Kelly Weill’s writing at the Daily Beast
• Techtonic featuring Daniel J. Clark, director of "Behind the Curve," a documentary on Flat Earthers (May 20, 2019 episode)
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Handy Haversack:
Gotta get the monsters fed, though,
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lazy pierogi:
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castor:
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Mark Hurst:
Ken From Hyde Park:
joe mulligan:
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PaulRobeson1920:
Rolando:
Iphone 11:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
0.) shared belief on the part of many in
a.) Scriptural inerrancy and
b.) their particular interpretation of Scripture,
and
1.) Belief that they are small voices telling The Truth against large and powerful entities—corporations, government, of course The Jews and The Masons—and their passion and relative powerlessness _prove_ that they're right.
yippie:
Webhamster Henry:
kevlicki:
Mark Hurst:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
As I'm dying to ask everyone who says that: how did you learn to do research, and how well? I spent years learning to do research decently…perhaps I was slow.
solo mon:
PaulRobeson1920:
Rolando:
kevlicki:
If the earth was flat, cats…
P-90:
DjLorraine:
solo mon:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
Rolando: We don't see only one side, we see about 60% of the surface over the course of the month, and the rest of that other surface from orbit about the Moon.
joe mulligan:
dale:
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Webhamster Henry:
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kevlicki:
Mark Hurst:
Handy Haversack:
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chresti:
Stillwell Coney Islander:
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Listener Robert:
Handy Haversack:
timinoak:
P-90:
Rolando:
PaulRobeson1920:
"Dymaxion Map," the Fuller Projection Map is the only flat map of the entire surface of the Earth which reveals our planet as one island in one ocean, without any visually obvious distortion of the relative shapes and sizes of the land areas, and without splitting any continents.”
Webhamster Henry:
Handy Haversack:
solo mon:
Mark Hurst:
timinoak:
Tom from Stirling.:
Mark Hurst:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
It makes me glad I'm autistic and introverted.
ultradamno:
Rolando:
Webhamster Henry:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
Traitor! Do you not believe in Terran Exceptionalism?!!!
dale:
P-90:
timinoak:
Webhamster Henry:
DjLorraine:
castor:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
A lot of extreme-Right media have long been sponsored by quack cures for diseases, and for that matter for owing taxes. I think they know that the audience for these programmes are self-selected for 0.) credulence and 1.) believe in individual solutions.
castor:
Webhamster Henry:
Fidel:
Jack:
solo mon:
Handy Haversack:
Whywolf, here's some well-researched delving into the money and patterns of alt-right creation: cup.columbia.edu...
ultradamno:
Ken From Hyde Park:
dale:
ultradamno:
P-90:
Davey:
I was just typing that same comment
joe mulligan:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
Have YOU been up there? No!, you believe what someone—probably Soros, am I not right, do you not become overcome with fear at seeing that name?—have paid or frightened other people into saying.
Less snarkily: Vietnam and he Gulf War, then the election of Barack Obama, left a lot of people not in a mood to trust _any_ authority…except random would-be shepherds screaming 'Wake up, sheep!'.
Handy Haversack:
joe mulligan:
P-90:
joe mulligan:
Mark Hurst:
P-90:
timinoak:
_Ike_:
Davey:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
The 'critical race theory' mess is interesting because we have a Patient Zero for it in Christopher Rufo, who explicitly said that not only must the term be demonised, but _anything_ that they opposed should be tied to it whether it were part of it or not.
Handy Haversack:
ultradamno:
P-90:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
Well before we kill ourselves off, A.I.s will frequently pass the Turing Tests because we humans' responses will have become increasingly boring and formulaic.
Fidel:
Fidel:
P-90:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Bas NL:
O Sphere
O Flat
O Oblate Spheroid
O A rock band
Fidel:
Fidel:
Re6ecca:
Wendy del Formaggio:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
The alternate world in which many of these people believe that the world is ruled by an all-powerful, all-knowing, Father. Since things obviously don't look such were the case—e.g. a black man was 'elected' President—they have to believe in a Satan who's screwing things up and keeping things from Being Perfect, e.g. living in a Great America where a man's a _man_. They often believe in both a literal Satan but also in earthly stand-ins.
Franco Twinkie:
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Dean:
Rolando:
Bas NL:
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solo mon:
_Ike_:
Feldy:
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Feldy:
ultradamno:
dale:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
Scepticism in all directions is a good idea, but we will inevitably weigh it more in some than others. Having seen the fruits of the scientific method—good and bad—indicate that it's pretty good at getting a fairly consistent map of reality, and that most scientists I've observed and been keep pretty well to it (even Francis Collins didn't try to use prophetic dreams at work), I will be more sceptical of Flat Earthers than of nearly everyone else from Erastosthenes onward.
solo mon:
ultradamno:
Franco Twinkie:
MarciB:
dale:
Franco Twinkie:
(((Murakami Whywolf):
"Futurama" had Pres. Truman, on seeing wht he thought was an hostile alien, decide to shift resources from faking a Moon landing to actually doing it.
P-90:
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MarciB:
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castor:
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Folsom:
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Tom from Stirling.:
_Ike_:
Wendy del Formaggio:
(Murakami Whywolf))):
Well, yes, but only because 'we' 'want' it to, that is enough people want what's being sold to make it profitable.
That's why Fascism and Bolshevism did just fine with just radio and the press and men willing to kill and inflict pain; I don't believe in Mr Hurst's remedies because just The Web and us are all that's needed.
castor: _Excellent_ Nietzsche quote. I have long since stopped being surprised by people who claim to 'reject Authority' when what they actually do is reject conventional Authority but treat other authorities with zero scepticism…and feel liberated.
Rolando:
_Ike_:
dale:
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joe mulligan:
Folsom:
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Pop:
Wendy del Formaggio:
Listener Robert:
Handy Haversack:
Later on, Ice Walls.
castor:
chresti:
Bas NL:
Folsom:
P-90:
Wenzo Toad:
WR:
Ken From Hyde Park:
PaulRobeson1920:
Blobs:
castor:
mkultradamno:
_Ike_:
@ultra, if they don't *at least* spin that into a series of jokes about fake Benders trying to replace the real Bender a la fake versions of Superman coming back from the dead, then the writers are truly hopeless.
PaulRobeson1920:
Thanks Mark!
Mark Hurst:
Fidel:
Mark Hurst:
P-90:
s-p-h-e-r-o-I-d
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Feldy:
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mkultradamno:
Fidel:
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