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Artist Track Album Label Year Comments New Approx. start time
mtume umoja ensemble  invocation   Favoriting Alkebu-Lan - Land Of The Blacks (Live At The East)          0:00:00 (Pop-up)
harold land  mtume   Favoriting a new shade of blue          0:04:31 (Pop-up)
elori saxl  memory of blue   Favoriting the blue of distance  western vinyl      *   0:15:10 (Pop-up)
nite jewel  no escape   Favoriting no sun        *   0:26:27 (Pop-up)
 
julia hollter  coyotes of the canyon   Favoriting 4 women no cry v. 3 v/a          0:33:28 (Pop-up)
sarah davachi  chorus scene   Favoriting Antiphonals  late music      *   0:37:03 (Pop-up)
bridget st john  downderry daze   Favoriting ask me no questions          0:39:50 (Pop-up)
hiroshi yoshimura  street   Favoriting green    1986      0:42:46 (Pop-up)
josephine foster  my dove, my beautiful one   Favoriting no more lamps in the morning    2015  poem by james joyce    0:48:59 (Pop-up)
vieux farka toure  fafa   Favoriting fondo          0:53:03 (Pop-up)
pharoah sanders  love is everywhere   Favoriting wisdom through music          0:58:36 (Pop-up)
 
bernice  dry river bed   Favoriting eau du bonjourno          1:07:38 (Pop-up)
marinero  hella love   Favoriting hella love          1:12:04 (Pop-up)
lynn cornell  demon lover   Favoriting it's a scandal songs for soho blondes v/a          1:17:24 (Pop-up)
anadol  Casio Havasi   Favoriting Uzun Havalar        *   1:20:16 (Pop-up)
Serge Gainsbourg  Les Amours Perdues   Favoriting la javanaise v 2          1:25:15 (Pop-up)
the ronettes  i can hear music   Favoriting g h          1:27:54 (Pop-up)
dianne & carole  feelin' the pain   Favoriting Boogaloo Pow Wow (V/A)          1:31:38 (Pop-up)
ginger root  fly too   Favoriting city slicker  acrophase      *   1:34:16 (Pop-up)
vanessa  amiga   Favoriting sou          1:37:43 (Pop-up)
zulu  sueno de amor   Favoriting Peru Maravilloso: Vintage Latin, Tropical and Cumbia          1:41:30 (Pop-up)
y pants  obvious   Favoriting y pants          1:44:17 (Pop-up)
orquesta akokan  guajira del mar   Favoriting 16 rayos  daptone      *   1:47:00 (Pop-up)
rail band  badialame   Favoriting mali 70 electric mali v/a          1:52:08 (Pop-up)
gary bartz  soulsea (cut chemist remix)   Favoriting 10 remixes  jazz is dead      *   1:56:53 (Pop-up)
miles davis  mtume   Favoriting The Complete On the Corner Sessions          1:58:49 (Pop-up)
 
the ronettes  be my baby   Favoriting           2:13:12 (Pop-up)
ana mazzotti  roda mundo   Favoriting Ninguém Vai Me Segurar          2:15:39 (Pop-up)
valorie keys  listen here   Favoriting funk soul sisters. v/a          2:19:29 (Pop-up)
bayard lancaster  jazz lady   Favoriting my pure joy  strut  1992    *   2:20:36 (Pop-up)
angela davis  on becoming an activist   Favoriting the prison industrial complex  AK press        2:24:50 (Pop-up)
helado negro  paz a ti ( peace to you)   Favoriting pasajero          2:28:23 (Pop-up)
 
shankar  ragam- tanam-pallavi   Favoriting who's to know          2:37:58 (Pop-up)


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Listener comments!

Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:01am
Handy Haversack:

Morning, Trouble and all the Troubled.
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winston legthigh:

hi trouble and the troubled ones.
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Dances with Moomins:

Hi Trouble! Hi troubled folks the world over.
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MD:

Good Morning Freeform Nation! Nation Of the Station...here's to Ronnie!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:02am
Mike W:

no one starts their shows better than
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:03am
Trouble:

goooood thursday morning modern people!
  9:03am
getinthagroove:

Loving this
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:03am
Pale Son:

Good morning! Love the Camus quote, been lately finding him such a sensible antidote to these times.
  9:03am
rx scabin:

Good morning, trouble.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:04am
listener james from westwood:

Morning, Trouble and all modernists!
  9:05am
Barbara in PA:

Morning, Trouble, Handy and all!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:06am
Handy Haversack:

Hi, Barbara!
  9:08am
rx scabin:

@Pale Son Antidote implies poison. An accurate analogy/metaphor by you.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:09am
Cal Zone!:

Loving this groove
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steveo:

GReetings Trouble & ev'ryone
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:10am
Passaic River Blues:

God, this is good.
  9:10am
ledzeppelinsucks:

Stephen Foster Memorial Day on January 13th commemorates the music of the man who composed hundreds of America’s first popular songs.
Born in Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania, on July 4, 1826, Stephen Foster became known as America’s First Composer. His catchy tunes based on minstrel songs are still known today.
Despite Foster’s exclusive music contract with Firth, Pond, and Company, he was penniless when he died at the age of 37. While his songs were wildly popular, the lack of copyright protection and alcoholism left him with nothing of value to show for his work.
Avatar 9:11am
TDK60:

Good morning DJ Trouble. Air quality index for Jersey City metro today is "poor" = 94. I'd wear a mask outdoors.
  9:11am
Irene:

Good morning Trouble and all Modern Worldly people! Thanks for the Mtume! (RIP)
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 9:12am
meredith:

Good morning all from Chapel Hill, NC. It has been a while since I have checked out the boards on with DJ Trouble. Hope everyone is hanging in there.
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jdaAndAnoukFromKöln:

hi trouble. and listeners. happy new year – guess i am late…
  9:13am
River:

Enjoying this. G’morning all!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 9:17am
YETI BOB:

glad 2 b here!
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

this thing is a good thing
  9:19am
Adrian in London:

Hi Trouble. Enjoying this Elori track very much
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:19am
listener james from westwood:

@TDK60: AQI is also kinda high over in northeast Bergen County, as it happens. We've got no wind, plus we're in a valley, so it's a double whammy.
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TDK60:

Listener James: I can see southeast Bergen Co. out my window from Manhattan. I can see the pollution haze.
  9:25am
Cal in Dothan:

Enjoying some modernity down here in sunny Alabama
  9:25am
Robm:

Morning trouble and fellow troublemakers
  9:27am
rx scabin:

I should be "getting ready." I think I will just sit a while and get ready that way.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 9:33am
StringOFperils:

R.I.P. :(
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:37am
Webhamster Henry:

Good Modern morning!
  9:41am
Emily:

Dyin’ here, trouble. Yet killin me
Avatar 9:42am
Hydroplane:

Saw Bridget at MONTY HALL a few years ago, opening for michael chapman (RIP). great show...
  9:43am
syl76:

Happy New Year all
  9:44am
Boris:

Love me some Hiroshi.
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MD:

Without Ronnie we would not have had Joey...Not the way he was...RIP Ronnie! Rest in Power!!!
  9:45am
Anne:

Good morning from Indiana, Trouble!

Thank you for your show. It's a wonderful background to our homeschool each Thursday morning.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:48am
Trouble:

good morning anne in indiana! thanks for the kind words: teach on!!
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steveo:

love this, oh james joyce very nice
  9:51am
syl76:

really chill playlist.. just what i needed today
  9:51am
Emily:

How did you know:re Josephine Foster? Are you in my mind?
  9:52am
Robm:

@MD joey and ronni were not related
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riley:

Very good morning all!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 9:59am
Pale Son:

Yesss!
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iiibeat:

Love is infinite!
No beginning and no end.
It may beguile, confuse or deceive.
Love knows no boundaries.

All illusion and suffering happens in the Light.
  10:15am
Adrian in London:

Has anyone read the Rickie Lee Jones memoir, Last Chance Texaco? I finished it last night, and recommend it. She had quite an early life, and the book concentrates on that, flipping past the usual “and then I recorded X album” etc.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:16am
WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

@Adrian in London: I thought it was terrific and it made me take a deep dive back into her catalog. One of the best books I read last year.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:17am
Trouble:

my local bookstore says that ricki lee book is super duper, haven' tread it.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:17am
WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

Also, the John Lurie memoir is worth a look.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:21am
Trouble:

got the john lurie book from santa, but santa is reading it now...meanwhile i am reading a fabulous book vaguely about sea turtles and the london zoo: www.nyrb.com...
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StringOFperils:

Binge watched Painting with John last week. He's an interesting person.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:23am
Passaic River Blues:

@Trouble: I read that Hoban a few years ago! I enjoyed it, as well as his Frances kids books back in the day.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:23am
WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

@Trouble: That reminds me, I want to check out Susan Orlean's On Animals. Have heard good things about it (and I _loved_ her Library Book).
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:25am
Trouble:

sounds good @ woods...
  10:25am
Robm:

Feels like i just dropped into a middle of a book club:)
Gives me some reading idea’s
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StringOFperils:

Russell Hoban's The Mouse and his Child is one of the most imaginative 'childrens' novels I've ever read. In the best books ever pile.
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nathan:

@Trouble, how is that book? I've been reading Russell Hoban's "Riddley Walker", but it's a tough!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:29am
Zipperhead7:

Ronnie Spector . . . I remember hearing "Be My Baby" on the car radio as a six-year-old, sitting in the front between my cousins with their bouffant hair and cat's-eye sunglasses, watching them crack their gum and smoke cigarettes and talk about their worthless boyfriends as they discussed the Perfect Boy. I remember thinking the Ronettes were such hot, sultry goddesses that if I, a mere mortal, would touch them I would burst into flame.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:29am
Pale Son:

Todd-o-phonic Todd played this this morning too! But sure, I'll favourite it again. :)
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:29am
Jason from Houston:

꒰ ॢ ꈍ ◡ ꈍ ॢ ꒱
  10:30am
MD:

It just get ya! Right… always…
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 10:30am
oshiwoshi:

that vibrato
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StringOFperils:

Ronnie always seemed like she might have a switch-blade stashed in that bouffant.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:31am
Trouble:

@nathan: it's a breeze! fabulous and wry
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nathan:

nice. going on my list
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:33am
Handy Haversack:

We read a couple of excellent NYRB books recently.

www.nyrb.com... : From the 1930s, set in the French Revolution of 1848, story of an English gentlewoman whose children die and then she falls in love with her husband's lover. Somehow, none of that is a spoiler!

www.nyrb.com... : amazing surrealist story of the end of the world and the cult of devil-worshiping women who will save us. Also, there's a cat.
  10:33am
Robm:

@stringofpearls being married to phil could do that to anyone
  10:33am
Robm:

I meant perils my bad
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StringOFperils:

@nathan > Re. Riddley Walker >>
www.google.com...
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waters7:

Handy: I've read a lot of Sylvia Townsend Warner. She is a crazy read.
  10:35am
MD:

As some of might guess.. I’m a huge Ramones fan…. THEY ARE MY BEATLES… but I always got same feelings ( goose bumps) hearing the Ronettes.,.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:36am
Handy Haversack:

waters7: Keeping an eye out for Lolly Willowes now. The end of Summer Will Show was absolutely amazing.
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StringOFperils:

It's okay, @Robm, I carry nothing more dangerous than a bad attitude. Everyone misreads my avatar
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Roberto:

As if in tribute to Ronnie, my connection just dropped for a few minutes and I couldn't hear music.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:36am
Trouble:

@pale son: i was watching todd's playlist so i wouldn't double up and i must have missed it. was it at the end?
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:37am
Trouble:

@zipperhead: that sounds about right! we are mere mortals...
  10:39am
MD:

@Trouble… yeah he closed his show that song… BUT I COULD LISTEN TO THAT SONG ALL DAY!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:40am
Trouble:

looooove lolly willowes!!!
  10:41am
Glistener MW:

Vanessa! 💚
  10:41am
Glistener MW:

Only Amiga Makes It Possible [tm]
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Phillippe:

Howdy
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:45am
Passaic River Blues:

@Handy: The NYRB Classics line is nearly always gold. That Carrington (a Trouble favorite, if I rightly recall) sounds really, really good.

I'm really Vanessa Veselka's "The Great Offshore Grounds" (~2/3rds through) and am loving it. www.penguinrandomhouse.com...
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:45am
Passaic River Blues:

*I'm reading
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nathan:

"don't be afraid to be boring" is my new daily affirmation
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nathan:

i used to be in that NYRB monthly book club. it's pretty great, but i couldn't keep up after a while. they always have amazing selections
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 10:48am
YETI BOB:

+1 on NYRB Books. The last 2 books I read were from there - "When We Cease to Understand the World" by Benjamin Labatut, and the diaries of the Goncourt brothers.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:49am
Pale Son:

@Trouble: It was at the end, yeah, he bookended the show with Ronettes. Happy to hear it a second time, though!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:49am
Handy Haversack:

Thanks for the tip, PRB!
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MD:

@Robm...Joey and Ronnie Shared Musical DNA...that was the Heart of my statement...
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 10:50am
YETI BOB:

Which reminds me - we still have the Modern World Reading List (which anyone can add to) - docs.google.com... or follow the link on my listener profile
Avatar Swag For Life Member 10:51am
nathan:

awesome @yeti. love the C column Ballard pick, haha. i have a massive collection of all his short fiction, it's pretty great
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:53am
Pale Son:

@YB: I love that Infinite Jest and Ulysses are at the top of the list. I'll get to the rest of the books once I've finished those two! :D
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:54am
Passaic River Blues:

@Nathan & Yeti Bob: same here! They pile up, you let the subscription lapse, and then have a nice little reservoir of excellent reads lined up. Were it not for NYRB, I probably wouldn't have discovered Magda Szabo or plowed through Stefan Zweig or been floored by Simone Schwarz-Bart's "The Bridge of Beyond." And the Patrick Leigh Fermor memoir trilogy? Holy shit.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:54am
Handy Haversack:

NYRB also publishes Hav, which is fantastic.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 10:57am
Passaic River Blues:

@Handy: [Googs; absorbs; adds to cart]
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:00am
WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

Infinite Jest. Ugh. Here's the exact 'sentence' that made me bail:

Thereafter proceeding first to the Upper Brighton and now to the cooperative Back Bay-edge brownstone she had lived in once with Orin and performed in with his father and then passed on to the Molly Notkin, today's party's guest of honor and hostess in one, as of yesterday enjoying A.B.D. pre-doctoral status in Film & Film-Cartridge theory at M.I.T., having cleared the notorious hurdle of Oral Examinations on that day by offering her examination committee a dramatically rendered and if she did say so herself devastating oral critique of post-millennial Marxists Film-Cartridge Theory from the point of view of Marx himself, Marx as pretend-film-cartridge theorist and scholar.
  11:01am
rx scabin:

One of favorites. I got this album in tenth grade. Immediate musical ostracization.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:01am
Handy Haversack:

I have read IJ six or seven times. An all-time great in my, uh, book.
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YETI BOB:

ok, woods, you don't like it. there are plenty of books on that list i don't like either. diff'rent strokes.
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Pale Son:

IJ would be unbearable if it weren't so hilarious.
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drr:

I was a big fan of David Foster Wallace until Infinite Jest.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 11:03am
βrian:

That paragraph needs more clauses.
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waters7:

handy: I read them all awhile ago. I think that I had read an article about STW being the most underrated writer. This was before she was republished by NYBR. I found a treasure trove of her books at used bookstore and read them all. I've reread Lolly Willowes (kind of recently) but did love Summer Will Show.
  11:04am
otto:

mmmmmmmmmm!
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Qibote:

Fits my mood
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 11:05am
YETI BOB:

i think it's interesting that the character of the book-list changes over time. The first few are big fat tomes, things to help pass the time during the initial lockdown. Then things took a turn to the dystopian. And finally we seem to have gotten a little tired of the dystopianism and more "general interest" books started taking over.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:05am
Zipperhead7:

Miles' 73-75 group was so far ahead of its time the world will never catch up.
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StringOFperils:

A little anachronism of a store here in Toronto, completely surrounded by towering glass condo monsters and gaping pits, like the house in 'UP', has enabled me to find quite a bit of NYRB books imprint very cheaply. Manna from NYNY...but it's probably fading fast.
  11:07am
rx scabin:

@Zipperhead7 They pissed off the right people.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:09am
Handy Haversack:

Read Ulysses twice. Bit of a slacker there.

Goblin! Stop typing!
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:10am
Therese:

Becky and I did the same thing yesterday. Everybody loves I Can Hear Music.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 11:10am
YETI BOB:

I should revisit Ulysses, I was too young when I read it and I think most if it went over my head. Plus its the 100th anniversary!
  11:11am
Listener David in Budd Lake:

Rush is from Toronto
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:11am
Handy Haversack:

SUBDIVISIONS
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 11:12am
βrian:

There's a development proposed for our 'hood. Naturally, it exceeds all existing zoning limits.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:12am
WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

@YETI BOB: Yeah, it just didn't resonate. But it's not that I can't see how much talent he had. Being able to keep several plot lines moving, etc. etc. I really like his essays.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:12am
Pale Son:

Cui bono?
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Andrea:

Development destabilizing toolkit?
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:13am
karlward:

You might peruse the Beautiful Trouble site: www.beautifultrouble.org
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 11:13am
βrian:

Wait. Is this in-fill or land-fill?
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:14am
karlward:

"Creative tools for a more just world…"
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:14am
queen mcsteve:

There's a book called "Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds" by Adrienne Maree Brown that might be helpful...
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StringOFperils:

It's pocket-fill.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:14am
karlward:

Beautiful Trouble was a popular resource for us troublemakers in art school
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:15am
Jason from Houston:

♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡ ♡
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:15am
Zipperhead7:

After the show -- I heard this song about real estate nearly 40 years ago and FINALLY tracked it down: www.youtube.com...
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:16am
Vivian:

@ Trouble, when Walmart proposed to move into an old mall near my house, they acted like it was such a win-win. Bringing jobs, building one family townhouses on site, etc. I was against it, but was in the minority. Noticed everything they proposed included 'we may..' nothing definite. That Walmart sucks resources like police (they call police on everything, included bad checks). No townhomes were built. Jobs? not as many as they originally quoted. Lots of light pollution. Glad I moved.
  Swag For Life Member 11:17am
Andrea:

I'm not sure if this is helpful: designwithintent.co.uk
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Handy Haversack:

Gonna have to listen to the rest from the car. Thanks, Trouble! Lovely show. Rest in power, Ronnie.

Later on, all.
Avatar This Is The Modern World with Trouble Marathon 2024 Swag For Life Member 11:18am
karlward:

I remember there was an art project to deanonymize slumlords by unwinding the owners and members of the various shell companies used, for example. Can't find the link to that project easily at the moment.
Avatar Swag For Life Member 11:18am
drr:

Not every book has to have the same structure, or a recognizable structure, but the problem I had with IJ is that it never delivers on any of its promises, there's no resolution to anything. He's introducing new characters with fifty pages to go in the book. The longer I read it (and I finished) the more hostile it felt.
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Peter in SEA:

Bonjour @Trouble and Thursday people. Late to the party but this Anna Mazzotti is very coooool. Will catch up in archives.
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waters7:

The scene in "Mean Streets" with "Be My Baby" was an eye opener for me. I knew that this was considered a high brow movie but Scorsese used this song. I was used to foreign/art house "films". Never was I as touched by music in a film like this. it was artful and immediate. Hard to explain if you didn't grow up in the 60's and 70's. It was so powerful.
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

Put very simply, most of those angry people act in enormously bad faith. Most of them are either racist NIMBYs or rich a-holes who don't want their multi-million dollar home values to decrease by either losing sightlines or keeping the price of their property artificially inflated by making sure to block absolutely any new housing.

We absolutely should be pushing for more dense, walkable neighborhoods, especially in very dense places like Jersey City.

These kinds of NIMBYs have been blocking all sorts of amazing progress in NYC and the surrounding areas. NYC gained like the population of Pittsburgh in the last census and has barely built new housing. That's quite a demand crunch from a huge lack of supply.

Generally speaking, more housing is good, even luxury apartments. Density is good. Sprawl is extremely space and energy inefficient. Extremely costly. You want transit-oriented infrastructure in a walkable area that also has multiple uses. Build up where infrastrucure already exists. And no, that doesn't mean turning every North Jersey, LI, Hudson Valley, and Connecticut town into massive metropolises.

Also, especially in dense, walkable urban areas, we cede FAR too much space to cars. We heavily or completely subsidize housing for cars instead of people.
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WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

Affordable housing is an issue up here as well. Tourism is _the_ industry and they're having a hard time finding workers because there's nowhere to live. Beyond trying to limit the use of AirB&B, there have been very few other proposals.

Some companies have take matters into their own hands. Jackson Labs is building a small housing campus to attract new candicates.
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Pale Son:

@drr: The ending is meant to lead back to the beginning again.
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YETI BOB:

@drr: i dont' want to get into a big discussion about IJ but there are some hints in the book that something major, and catastrophic, happens just "outside the frame". it's super-post-modern but i think it delivers exactly what the author intended.
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βrian:

Catalog record for the book above:
www.worldcat.org...
  11:21am
morphe':

The 6 "low/working class units" will go to friends or cousins of a local politician.. Back in the' 80 there was a building for elders being constructed...
Applications were going to made available on xx/xx/xxxx. Al D'Amatto's mother sent hers in before the applications were made available to the public... OOOOpppps ... cannot find the article so do not quote me ...
NYTimes article I cannot access= not sure of the focus:
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/08/nyregion/d-amato-his-village-and-favoritism-in-housing.html
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YETI BOB:

βrian: Nice. I also added it to the reading list document
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coolioiglesias:

when they cut the ribbon at the barclays center in downtown brooklyn, the developers said they'd multiply the affordable housing they destroyed in order to build it over the next 10 years. here we are over 10 years later, it's just a bunch of ugly lux condos, no indication that they even remotely delivered on that promise, and who's gonna hold them accountable?
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Andrea:

Here is a cool project about urban development and people: welcometocup.org
and they have a page of resources: welcometocup.org...
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oshiwoshi:

affordable housing linked to minimum income threshold set by the developers
  11:22am
Tadmanthemadman:

i didn't hear all, but I'd look for a civil impact analysis to prove their is enough road, parking, water and power without taking away from the existing community... Make them prove all the building and civil codes are being met... back to work..
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βrian:

No Van Life for Handy!
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Zipperhead7:

Another real estate song. "He's chopping uo the neighborhood. He calls himself The Chopper and he's chopping while the chopping is good." www.youtube.com...
  11:23am
Cincy Ryan:

I agree with Rosey's comments above. Density is good, although the devil's in the details. Good article in the atlantic last year.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/theres-no-such-thing-luxury-housing/618548/
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Peter in SEA:

@waters7 never read any STW, where should I start? :-)
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WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

@Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz: You make a valid point. I read a book on suburban design years back and they were talking about how the Main St. of old, with combined use of shops and residential, is mostly not legal anymore. It's kind of crazy.
  11:24am
Partyfinger:

Get Em Out By Friday
  11:24am
Tan Tulip:

Here's one idea, which would require a change in city rules: that the city won't even consider building projects that do not meet basic parameters. This might prevent developers from submitting projects that are clearly larger than acceptable and then compromising down to something that is still a negative for the community
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karlward:

I love Infinite Jest. I love how you can open it to literally any page and start reading and find that the prose on that page is brilliant.
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StringOFperils:

Seeing a considerable amount of $$$ parked in expensive new-condo development here, by people who live in places like Hong Kong and Dubai, ghost units that sit, empty, trebling their market value in the short term, while many of those who formerly inhabited that neighbourhood live in tent cities and under bridges. Developers get carte-blanche, resulting in civic planning being effectively privatized. Low income families are...well, you know..
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

But @coolioiglesias, to one of the points I was making, there are still NIMBYs constantly pushing back on housing projects today, including some really important ones in the general vicinity of Barclays.

I know the Brooklyn Botanical Garden recently showed its arse by gloating about blocking a bunch of housing right near a subway station. I think a lot of units were even going to be affordable, but I don't remember the details.

Also, to give you an idea of the type of people we're dealing with, a group of NIMBYs have been trying to block construction of an elevator for the 68th Street-Hunter College IRT subway station for years.
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karlward:

Kenneth Jackson's Crabgrass Frontier (about suburbanization of the US) is a great study of how large scale housing changes have happened in the past.
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YETI BOB:

@Rosey: Excellent points. Are there effective strategies for fighting NIMBYism? (Also, hi, hope you are well!)
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Passaic River Blues:

@Rosey: that is the crux of the issue--how to disentangle NIMBYism, which reinforces the housing crisis and pushes development toward profit-maximizing "luxury" projects, from poorly thought-out and shoddily constructed projects in areas that do not yet have the infrastructure to support high density development. I have no answers, but the problem really is two-sided.
@WoodsofNH: was that book James Kunstler's "Geography of Nowhere"?
  11:29am
GiB:

Birmingham native here. It amazes me how much we never learned about Angela Davis while learning about Civil Rights in school, and we were a very progressive school district.
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coolioiglesias:

@Rosey you're right, there's definitely more nuance to this topic than my barclays observation - i just remember covering that press conference for work and thinking "yeah right."
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Cal Zone!:

Love AD! What a brilliant human!
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WoodsOfNH (now Maine):

@Passaic River Blues: No. I think it's either Suburban Nation or Picture Windows. (I just glanced up at the shelf). Shoot, now I've got to read Geography of Nowwhere.
  11:30am
rx scabin:

Helado Negro! Thank you Trouble. Perfect.
  11:30am
morphe':

Battery Park city = Pre-Barclay Sham BPC was supposed to have xx% amount of affordable units but when it became clear of the open market possibilities... It all went free market for other units to be built at a later date on other sites and re-hab of existing "controlled/stabilized units" = NEVER HAPPENED !!!!
https://www.propublica.org/article/bad-grandpa-the-ugly-forefather-of-new-yorks-affordable-housing-debacles
  11:31am
Tan Tulip:

I think too much is left to private developers. How about more government financed development that helps those in need more. Sorry, Reagan, government is not the enemy
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Trouble:

cool angela davis show a the zimmerli museum in new brunswick nj

zimmerli.rutgers.edu...
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YETI BOB:

more socialism please
  11:32am
morphe':

Jane Jacob's "Life and Death of American Cities" is an essential and highly readable book = TOME I would say !!!!
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karlward:

IIRC Jane Jacobs wrote about how Toronto had been effective in preserving its walkability and housing. Death and Life of Great American Cities is a phenomenal book.
  11:33am
morphe':

Karlward - were were in synch there ..
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YETI BOB:

added to list
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Lucky:

Developers also add to JC politician's "campaign funds"...
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Tan Tulip:

I grew up in a suburb that built a mall, which added a lot to the tax base
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

@WoodsOfNH (now Maine), yeah, and a lot of those towns and Main streets were decent examples of how you don't need a metropolis.

You can go a long way with a main strip that has actual life to it and hasn't just been completely decimated, and having mixed uses there, including housing, and having housing that's also not too far away. And where you'd be able to walk, bike, or take transit to places, and again, these places wouldn't need to be far away. Big bonus when the entire town is built around a train station. What you'd want to do with places like that is try to build some apartments that are like two or three stories tall. You can get a lot more density just out of doing that in place of some old and drafty houses that should be knocked down, and it makes it so that living in that place doesn't require having to own an entire home. And ideally having a car wouldn't be a requirement either. If there is a train station too, building a bunch of housing around that, along with other mixed uses of course, would be a great thing to do. Relatedly, would it KILL transit agencies like NJTransit, the MTA commuter railroads, PATCO, etc. to stop putting their suburban stations in parking craters and instead surround it with development? And these transit agencies would be able to make so much more money off of that land.

But yeah, some poor political decisions and then insanely dumb things like spending billions of dollars on highway bypasses that save motorists all of three minutes and ensure those bypassed towns, that also used to have rail service until parallel government-funded highways made it impossible for private railroads to compete, don't get any more tourists.
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Zipperhead7:

One of the best docs I've seen on public housing is "The Pruitt-Igoe Myth." www.youtube.com...
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

I'm sorry, but that's straight-up not accurate. Building more housing generally makes places MORE affordable. An artificial limit on the housing supply drives up values!
  11:38am
not a developer:

Love the show. But increased density does not "drive up rents" - quite the opposite.
  11:39am
morphe':

Rosey - many UK studies have shown that "road widening" only leads to more/thicker/wider traffic .. LA must prove the same??? .. The "NEW" BQE will surely be the same???
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YETI BOB:

"Induced Travel Demand" - more lanes = more traffic, it never helps!
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Tan Tulip:

quel horreur!: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/13/fda-deregulates-french-dressing/
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YETI BOB:

en.wikipedia.org... - people (e.g. Robert Moses) making the same mistake for DECADES
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

@coolioiglesias, yeah, a lot of nuance, and one of the problems is that there are plenty of valid points, but people who act in bad faith will shoehorn these points into their attacks. They'll just use those points as cudgels with which to attack any and all new development. It's such a bad case of reactionary NIMBYism. Shame on these despicable people.

My housing knowledge is limited, but I've learned some things about it because I know a lot about transit and see how the two are related, transit and land use/housing.

I personally try placing most of my focus on fighting these destructive NIMBYs.
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βrian:

We have pretty heavy traffic on our bike paths. Pedestrians and bikers make for a messy mix.
  11:44am
Tan Tulip:

Wages, wages, wages
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morphe':

For after Trouble... A Great nearly unknown Scot - Matt McGinn wrote a great song about moving people from intimate neighborhoods to far flung projects (fyi a "Jeely" is a jelly sandwich ... Mom's would pass them out the window to their children playing in the street ... the song goes "..ya cannot eat a jelly from the 22nd floor..." ( Scot - Matt McGinn was a normal Socialist but was branded a Commie and banned by the BBC and BBC Scot - a lost Nat'i Treasure)
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Qibote:

Saw him play once with Kumar Bose on tablas. Was impressive.
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βrian:

The new trend in Madison is to let people build "accessory" housing units on their residential property.
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Cities that grow survive and thrive. The only way we are going to combat climate change is to build walkable urbanism where we can reduce our GHG emissions by NOT driving.
While we attend endless community meetings where "poor me" people yammer on about gentrification, change, NIMBYism, etc., China and Nigeria and India are building.
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Tan Tulip:

Thanks for this, Trouble--amazing
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YETI BOB:

βrian: It makes sense to separate bikes from pedestrians b/c they go at different speeds. I'm talking about highways.
  11:47am
Sean:

Teaching critical thinking is tough. I think it needs to be part of the curriculum very early in school and I do remember very early on that my Iowa public schools at least played lip service to the idea. It wasn't until later when I got into the topic as an adult wannabe science nerd that I realized that it was largely just lip service. However looking at the state of things I think I was better served than most Americans because just putting the word "critical" next to the word "race" seems to be enough to cause a civil disturbance.
  11:47am
morphe':

Forgot the link for later:
"Ya Cannot Eat a Jelly from the 22nd Floor"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7SAPmcwXA
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βrian:

@YB: For sure. Just mentioning because it seems like a new (to me) development.
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Rosey is Listening on 91.1 MHz:

And yes to everyone talking about highway widenings. Good on all of you for taking what I said and bringing it to the next point. Yeah, highway widenings do not work, they cost a ton of money, and they just lead to more pollution with the same travel times. This started happening very quickly on the new Kosciusko Bridge, even though Cuomo of course said traffic would be solved.

And the highways take up SO much land, and yes, the neighborhoods they destroy continue to be predominantly minority neighborhoods.

They're proposing some seriously stupid crap in Austin and Houston, the latter of which already has a highway with like 25 lanes. When will it be enough? When will we realize that "one more lane" isn't the solution? When will we realize it's not worth the childhood asthma rates and climate catastrophe, among so many other negative externalities? When will we stop pressuring and even forcing people into the huge financial burden of having a car while making sure so many of the country's mass transit users/walkers/bikers, etc remain almost completely invisible?

And yes, we're proposing absolutely insane projects in NYC and throughout New York state and New Jersey. Meanwhile, so much unused rail infrastructure just sits there...

Get loud and say something to your elected officials!
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Trouble:

We need drastic measures in JC since nearly the entire city council is on the side of the mayor: pro development in all wards
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waters7:

We started a neighborhood group called: StableBrooklyn because developers discovered our neighborhood. We were able to contain some of it. We brought in an urban planner from Hunter--with his grad students --to come up with a plan on why the growth should be contextual and what made our neighborhood worth saving. I could send you a link. This was before DeBlasio was mayor. He came and walked around with us. We all became involved with our community board.
  11:50am
morphe':

In rural Ireland - regular old houses were small (2fls =only/usually 2 bedrooms) and so one can get get planning permission to build to the side or back, but never higher than the original structure ... seems like an ok compromise...
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StringOFperils:

Toronto has changed a great deal since Jane Jacobs wrote The Death and Life of Great American Cities. The comparably tiny population density here in TO might make it easier to crow about how 'walkable' it is presently, but that is changing, and refugees of radical climate-change will drive that much more rapidly in the coming years...a lot of it's already happening, but on the surface it appears to be products of global political strife. It's gonna get a lot more New York-y here; it already is. For now, for me, if it is indeed more 'walkable', it won't be because it's a paragon of good planning, but because I can be confident that no one is carrying a gun. (so far) I can think of areas where Toronto's recent civic planning re. housing will prove to be a total debacle in twenty or thirty years.
  11:53am
HP:

Sorry if you addressed this earlier, just tuned in. There is a very important meeting regarding plans to change the ward boundaries in Jersey City tomorrow evening. One of the big changes involves changing the ward that Liberty State Park is in.
https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_l_gadsden/status/1481610431475105795
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Ken From Hyde Park:

Thanks for the show this morning, Trouble.
  11:55am
HP:

Different subject I know, but related.
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Andrea:

thank you Trouble! Great show.
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morphe':

Thanks Trouble and all !!!!
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Dances with Moomins:

Lovely show the perfect background for the day. We also have pedestrian/bike challenges in Turku, Finland but mostly things work very well Cheers!
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βrian:

David D is on standby on The Drummer Stream, if that's your wont.

wfmu.org...
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listener 126464:

Thanks Trouble.
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Trouble:

HP: that link isn't working. have another?
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morphe':

HP - DIRECTLY RELATED TO TODAY"S POSTS !!!! TOO FAR AWAY TO GO BUT GOOD LUCK !!!!
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Trouble:

thanks for sitting in today!
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rx scabin:

Great show. Thank you.
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Rev. Turnip Druid:

hardcore shankar

lovely, this.
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listener james from westwood:

Many thanks, Trouble!
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TDK60:

Thanks!
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steveo:

i hope that karlward will not be redistricted [ducking]
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jt:

Ah. developers... used to mean you would give the m a roll of film and get photographs back, now that word is just horribly tinged with greed, power and inevitable ruin of what ever was charming or quaint. W/BURG is really considered a lost cause a textbook example, but hold on ! it gets worse 4-6 story buildings are now are making way for 60 story towers. yes 60...alas.
  11:59am
Vitebsk Kfrbucllmn:

It's another trip to the archives for me DJ This Is The Modern World with Trouble. Thank you now for then.
  11:59am
Will:

https://newjersey.redistrictingandyou.org/
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Malcontent:

L Shankar, not Ravi. Sorry for the trouble Trouble.
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steveo:

wonderful show thank you. that ravi shankar was marrrrvelous
  12:00pm
Will:

That site might be helpful for looking at demographics in your neighborhood. NJ state legislature redistricting is also happening rn
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StringOFperils:

Thank you !! Be well!
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