WFMU: Yes, We Have No Mountains with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from August 18, 2021

Listener comments!
	♥ 12:00pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	🎸 ♥ 12:00pm Paper Kosmonaut: Leve de Republiek! En wat al niet.
	12:01pm MHLee: Just out of the Village Green Preservation Society
	🎸 ♥ 12:01pm Paper Kosmonaut: Hi Jan! Hi MHLee!
	♥ 12:02pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi MHLee! Hi PK, it's been a while :-)
	12:02pm worldsworstrecords: More prog?
	🎸 ♥ 12:02pm Paper Kosmonaut: Thijs van Leer with the longest nose flute in the world.
	♥ 12:02pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Darryl, just a bit.
	12:02pm worldsworstrecords: Lol!
	♥ 12:03pm Jan Turkenburg: Picking up the usual format again.
	♥ 12:03pm Jan Turkenburg: hahahahahahaha
	🎸 ♥ 12:03pm Candy-O'67: Hey, Jan, PK, worldsworstrecords, MHLee!
	🎸 ♥ 12:04pm Paper Kosmonaut: Hey hey Darryl, hi Candy-O!
	12:04pm MHLee: Yes, i've only caught the end of the last two
	12:05pm MHLee: Hello all
	♥ 12:05pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Candy-O!
	🎸 ♥ 12:06pm Paper Kosmonaut: I have been waiting for a clear summer night for a bloody fortnight or two already. We still need to film a segment of out documentary but it needs to be a clear night. And Covid also is obstructing the progress.
	♥ 12:06pm Jan Turkenburg: MHLee, I was only joking with PK, we've been mailing and exchanging music today :-)
	12:06pm worldsworstrecords: Hola all you groovy No Mountaineers
	🎸 ♥ 12:06pm Paper Kosmonaut: out=our
	♥ 12:08pm Jan Turkenburg: a fortnight, PK?? I;ve been watching stars for quite a few evenings in the past two weeks.
	🎸 ♥ 12:11pm Paper Kosmonaut: Yes, There were a few clear(er) nights here too but I also have to take in account when our film technicians are available, and we have to make shots with studens and like I said, some were infected with Covid during the short lift of restrictions here.
	12:11pm WassuoRockerAlex: Hi Jan!
	♥ 12:12pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi WassuoRockerAlex!
	12:13pm worldsworstrecords: Just going to grab some food... back soon
	🎸 ♥ 12:14pm Paper Kosmonaut: Aromatic golden tints
	🎸 ♥ 12:17pm Paper Kosmonaut: Rudy Turnip and de zoete groente. The single cover had a misprint, apparently: 'tuinen' (gardens) instead of tinten (shades)!
	12:20pm MHLee: Like this chord progression alot
	♥ 12:20pm Jan Turkenburg: Or the label had a misprint... now you mention it.. Another cover mentions tuinen as well.. www.discogs.com...
	♥ 12:23pm Jan Turkenburg: Most votes count, I take it they were singing about gardens...
	🎸 ♥ 12:26pm Candy-O'67: Diggin' this Ivy Green track! New to me!
	🎸 ♥ 12:27pm Paper Kosmonaut: Tuinen, tinten, it's all the same to me. Well, almost.
	🎸 ♥ 12:30pm Paper Kosmonaut: a fresh pizza Formaggi with extra added mushrooms on top. That's what is in the making right now here at PK's house. But further everythings' all right.
	♥ 12:32pm Jan Turkenburg: Eet smakelijk, PK!
	🎸 ♥ 12:32pm Paper Kosmonaut: This Tee Set Do it baby song would cross quite comfortably with "If I Had Words" by Yvonne Keeley and Scott Fitzgerald.
	🎸 ♥ 12:34pm Lizardner Dave !: "Do It Baby(The Consent Song)"
	♥ 12:36pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Liz Dave!
	🎸 ♥ 12:37pm Paper Kosmonaut: Kummon Kitarrrrr! Jes Jes!
	12:38pm drolletje: Oh man, I love Teenager Muziek Express!
	12:39pm MHLee: My glen miller listening grandparent's would jam to this
	🎸 ♥ 12:41pm Paper Kosmonaut: Genuine question, Jan: did these Dutch language versions sell better than the originals?
	♥ 12:41pm Jan Turkenburg: I don't know PK
	🎸 ♥ 12:42pm Paper Kosmonaut: It seems so silly nowadays.
	♥ 12:43pm Jan Turkenburg: That's joy of it, now.
	🎸 ♥ 12:43pm Paper Kosmonaut: absolutely.
	12:43pm MHLee: Elvis und Pat Boone
	♥ 12:45pm Jan Turkenburg: This Conny Vandenbos song has a typical Bert Paige arrangement. Boudewijn de Groot could take over any moment.
	🎸 ♥ 12:45pm Paper Kosmonaut: my thoughts! nice though.
	🎸 ♥ 12:46pm Paper Kosmonaut: A little "Pastorale" too.
	♥ 12:48pm Jan Turkenburg: yes and a few other songs, like "Mensen naar de maan"
	🎸 ♥ 12:53pm Paper Kosmonaut: So Bert Paige just was like we Dutch people say, "een enkeltruuks-dwergpaard".
	12:56pm MHLee: When i finish my current work i'm translating that @Paper Kosmonaut
	♥ 12:56pm Jan Turkenburg: well, that remark makes me 'steiger' a bit, PK :=)
	🎸 ♥ 12:58pm Paper Kosmonaut: One-trick pony. (A little too elaborate) (-: And it wasn't meant as a fact, merely as a presumption...
	♥ 1:00pm Jan Turkenburg: well, if a trick works, why don't use it a few more times, it doesn't mean he hadn't other techniques up his sleeve, I meant ;-)
	🎸 ♥ 1:01pm Paper Kosmonaut: I don't know any of his other works, actually so I was just a little mischievous here.
	🎸 ♥ 1:04pm Candy-O'67: Time for Shocking Blue!! :))
	♥ 1:04pm Jan Turkenburg: Well, I think he created a Dutch version of the "wall of sound".
	🎸 ♥ 1:05pm Paper Kosmonaut: that is certainly true, Jan.
	1:05pm MHLee: In my experience a one trick pony gets the label and then people ignore any work that doesnt conform
	1:05pm MHLee: Self fulfilling prophecy
	♥ 1:08pm Jan Turkenburg: my observation too, MHLee
	1:08pm Ursula 1000: hey Jan and everyone!
	🎸 ♥ 1:08pm Paper Kosmonaut: Also, some are seen as one-trick ponies by the general public but actually they are far from being so.
	♥ 1:08pm Jan Turkenburg: or should I say 'my perception'? :)
	♥ 1:09pm Jan Turkenburg: Hey Ursula1000!
	🎸 ♥ 1:09pm Paper Kosmonaut: Like me with mister Paige, I guess. (-;
	🎸 ♥ 1:15pm Paper Kosmonaut: And what Bert Paige did wasn't bad. At all.
	♥ 1:16pm Jan Turkenburg: It's alright, PK, it's alright! 🤣
	🎸 ♥ 1:18pm Paper Kosmonaut: phew
	🎸 ♥ 1:19pm Paper Kosmonaut: Gauw een bakje vla.
	1:23pm Mr Fab: Oh darn, I missed Supersister - play it again, Jan!
	♥ 1:24pm Jan Turkenburg: Hey Mr. Fab!
	♥ 1:29pm Derek Westerholm: Fantastic sounds for a day of vacation over here... Thanks for the soundtrack!
	♥ 1:30pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Derek! Good to hear!
	1:30pm Mr Fab: This is from 2020, not 1980?!
	♥ 1:31pm Jan Turkenburg: The Kik is very 'retro' indeed.
	🎸 ♥ 1:32pm Paper Kosmonaut: Nice song.
	1:32pm Mr Fab: it's New New Wave
	1:35pm drolletje: I'm going to get bloot right now...
	🎸 ♥ 1:35pm Paper Kosmonaut: Bloterd!
	🎸 ♥ 1:35pm Paper Kosmonaut: - or bloterik!
	1:35pm Mr Fab: party bloot!
	♥ 1:38pm Jan Turkenburg: LOL!
	🎸 ♥ 1:41pm Paper Kosmonaut: huh? Playlist troubles, Jan?
	♥ 1:41pm Jan Turkenburg: trouble with the braincells this morning I guess...
	1:43pm drolletje: yay! Beatlecover!
	🎸 ♥ 1:46pm Candy-O'67: Boem boem boem boem - FUN FUN FUN!!
	🎸 ♥ 1:46pm Paper Kosmonaut: Ouwe Hans!
	1:48pm drolletje: YAY!!!!! RONNIE!!!!
	1:49pm drolletje: Thank you Jan! You've made my day!
	1:51pm drolletje: I'm clicky starring this for the title alone!
	♥ 1:51pm Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	🎸 ♥ 1:52pm Paper Kosmonaut: Kayak goes Waterloo?
	♥ 1:53pm Jan Turkenburg: hahahahaha
	♥ 1:55pm Beany: Kayak! This is lovely....
	1:56pm drolletje: Another superb show, Jan! And thank you for Ronnie!
	🎸 ♥ 1:56pm Lizardner Dave !: Thanks Jan!
	♥ 1:56pm Derek Westerholm: Great show!
	🎸 ♥ 1:56pm Paper Kosmonaut: Thanks for a great show, Jan. Great tunes!
	♥ 1:59pm Jan Turkenburg: Jan Rot lets us know he still feels fine physically (though he doesn't have very long to live anymore) High on his bucket list is finding new homes for of all his self-released cd's and books in which he put so much love .. www.janrot.nl... You're not only are acquiring real beautiful unique Dutch language music, (and Dutch language translations of the great songs in music history) but you are also supporting his wife and 4 young kids!
	🎸 ♥ 2:05pm Candy-O'67: Enjoyed it today, Jan! Thanks for the info on Jan Rot. Sorry his illness is terminal :(

Yes, We Have No Mountains with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from August 18, 2021

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Two hours of Dutch pop music history, live from the city of Zwolle in The Netherlands.

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Artist	Track	Album	Year	Approx. start time
Focus	House Of The King "House Of The King" by "Focus"	Focus 3	1972	0:00:00 (Pop-up)
The Eurfians	Opa's beat "Opa's beat" by "The Eurfians"		1966	0:04:19 (Pop-up)
Ruud Knolraap & The Sweet Vegetable	Geurige gouden tuinen		1969	0:07:04 (Pop-up)
Peter Koelewijn	Je Wordt Ouder Papa	Het Beste In Mij Is Niet Goed Genoeg Voor Jou	1977	0:09:16 (Pop-up)
ZWOLLE! "ZWOLLE!"
Erwin Nyhoff & The Prodigal Sons	Cool it	In The Eye Of A Stranger	2012	0:14:41 (Pop-up)
De sp aties	Blij zijn dat je leeft		2015	0:18:13 (Pop-up)
Herman Brood & His Wild Romance	Never Enough	Herman Brood & His Wild Romance	1979	0:20:36 (Pop-up)

Ivy Green	Stupid Village "Stupid Village" by "Ivy Green"	Ivy Green	1978	0:24:33 (Pop-up)
The Buddy Odor Stop	If I Were You	Buddy Odor Is A Gas!	1979	0:28:07 (Pop-up)
Tee-Set	Do it baby "Do it baby" by "Tee-Set"		1975	0:29:56 (Pop-up)
Teenager Muziek Express "Teenager Muziek Express"
Andy Field	Come On Guitar "Come On Guitar" by "Andy Field"		1958s	0:36:51 (Pop-up)
The Fouryo's	Eenzaamheid Doet Altijd Pijn		1962	0:38:55 (Pop-up)
Wim Bitter	Teenager Muziek "Teenager Muziek" by "Wim Bitter"		1959	0:41:02 (Pop-up)
Conny Vandenbos	Paleis met muren "Paleis met muren" by "Conny Vandenbos"		1966	0:43:40 (Pop-up)
Golden Earring	Paradise in Distress	Paradise In Distress	1999	0:48:06 (Pop-up)
Aafke Romeijn	M-V "M-V" by "Aafke Romeijn"	Je Doet Je Best Maar	2016	0:53:44 (Pop-up)
Sweet d'Buster	Still Believe "Still Believe" by "Sweet d'Buster"	Gigs	1979	0:58:42 (Pop-up)
Shocking Blue	Hey "Hey" by "Shocking Blue"	Inkpot	1972	1:03:30 (Pop-up)
Sandy Coast	Advice "Advice" by "Sandy Coast"	Shipwreck	1969	1:07:43 (Pop-up)
Supersister	A girl named you "A girl named you" by "Supersister"	To the highest bidder	1971	1:11:11 (Pop-up)
The Dutch	The Good Earth "The Good Earth" by "The Dutch"	This Is Welfare	1983	1:21:15 (Pop-up)
Swinging soul machine	It's An Ill Wind That Blows Nobody Any Good	Through The Eye	1969	1:26:14 (Pop-up)
The Kik	Gekker dan jij "Gekker dan jij" by "The Kik"	Jin	2020	1:29:20 (Pop-up)
The Tielman Brothers	Record Hop "Record Hop" by "The Tielman Brothers"	The Tielman Brothers	1964	1:32:19 (Pop-up)
Dutch Word Of The Week	Bloot "Bloot" by "Dutch Word Of The Week"			1:33:59 (Pop-up)
The motions	Hey Conductor "Hey Conductor" by "The motions"		1968	1:35:46 (Pop-up)
The In Crowd	I'll Make It All Up To You		1966	1:38:24 (Pop-up)
Beatles Cover of The Week "Beatles Cover of The Week"
Purper	Iets in de manier "Iets in de manier" by "Purper"			1:42:12 (Pop-up)
""
De Bloedverdunners (The Blood Thinners)	Boem boem boem boem	De Bloedverdunners (USB-stick)	2017	1:45:21 (Pop-up)
Ronnie en de Ronnies	Boem Boem Is Ho	Wilde Ronnie	1970	1:47:51 (Pop-up)
Heideroosjes	Fuck The New Kids On The Block	Noisy Fairytales	1993	1:50:27 (Pop-up)
Kayak	Winning Ways "Winning Ways" by "Kayak"	Phantom Of The Night	1978	1:51:52 (Pop-up)
Jan Rot	Een Muur En Een Muur "Een Muur En Een Muur" by "Jan Rot"	Koning Jan	1993	1:56:34 (Pop-up)

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Listener comments!
	♥ 12:00pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi everyone!
	🎸 ♥ 12:00pm Paper Kosmonaut: Leve de Republiek! En wat al niet.
	12:01pm MHLee: Just out of the Village Green Preservation Society
	🎸 ♥ 12:01pm Paper Kosmonaut: Hi Jan! Hi MHLee!
	♥ 12:02pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi MHLee! Hi PK, it's been a while :-)
	12:02pm worldsworstrecords: More prog?
	🎸 ♥ 12:02pm Paper Kosmonaut: Thijs van Leer with the longest nose flute in the world.
	♥ 12:02pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Darryl, just a bit.
	12:02pm worldsworstrecords: Lol!
	♥ 12:03pm Jan Turkenburg: Picking up the usual format again.
	♥ 12:03pm Jan Turkenburg: hahahahahahaha
	🎸 ♥ 12:03pm Candy-O'67: Hey, Jan, PK, worldsworstrecords, MHLee!
	🎸 ♥ 12:04pm Paper Kosmonaut: Hey hey Darryl, hi Candy-O!
	12:04pm MHLee: Yes, i've only caught the end of the last two
	12:05pm MHLee: Hello all
	♥ 12:05pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Candy-O!
	🎸 ♥ 12:06pm Paper Kosmonaut: I have been waiting for a clear summer night for a bloody fortnight or two already. We still need to film a segment of out documentary but it needs to be a clear night. And Covid also is obstructing the progress.
	♥ 12:06pm Jan Turkenburg: MHLee, I was only joking with PK, we've been mailing and exchanging music today :-)
	12:06pm worldsworstrecords: Hola all you groovy No Mountaineers
	🎸 ♥ 12:06pm Paper Kosmonaut: out=our
	♥ 12:08pm Jan Turkenburg: a fortnight, PK?? I;ve been watching stars for quite a few evenings in the past two weeks.
	🎸 ♥ 12:11pm Paper Kosmonaut: Yes, There were a few clear(er) nights here too but I also have to take in account when our film technicians are available, and we have to make shots with studens and like I said, some were infected with Covid during the short lift of restrictions here.
	12:11pm WassuoRockerAlex: Hi Jan!
	♥ 12:12pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi WassuoRockerAlex!
	12:13pm worldsworstrecords: Just going to grab some food... back soon
	🎸 ♥ 12:14pm Paper Kosmonaut: Aromatic golden tints
	🎸 ♥ 12:17pm Paper Kosmonaut: Rudy Turnip and de zoete groente. The single cover had a misprint, apparently: 'tuinen' (gardens) instead of tinten (shades)!
	12:20pm MHLee: Like this chord progression alot
	♥ 12:20pm Jan Turkenburg: Or the label had a misprint... now you mention it.. Another cover mentions tuinen as well.. www.discogs.com...
	♥ 12:23pm Jan Turkenburg: Most votes count, I take it they were singing about gardens...
	🎸 ♥ 12:26pm Candy-O'67: Diggin' this Ivy Green track! New to me!
	🎸 ♥ 12:27pm Paper Kosmonaut: Tuinen, tinten, it's all the same to me. Well, almost.
	🎸 ♥ 12:30pm Paper Kosmonaut: a fresh pizza Formaggi with extra added mushrooms on top. That's what is in the making right now here at PK's house. But further everythings' all right.
	♥ 12:32pm Jan Turkenburg: Eet smakelijk, PK!
	🎸 ♥ 12:32pm Paper Kosmonaut: This Tee Set Do it baby song would cross quite comfortably with "If I Had Words" by Yvonne Keeley and Scott Fitzgerald.
	🎸 ♥ 12:34pm Lizardner Dave !: "Do It Baby(The Consent Song)"
	♥ 12:36pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Liz Dave!
	🎸 ♥ 12:37pm Paper Kosmonaut: Kummon Kitarrrrr! Jes Jes!
	12:38pm drolletje: Oh man, I love Teenager Muziek Express!
	12:39pm MHLee: My glen miller listening grandparent's would jam to this
	🎸 ♥ 12:41pm Paper Kosmonaut: Genuine question, Jan: did these Dutch language versions sell better than the originals?
	♥ 12:41pm Jan Turkenburg: I don't know PK
	🎸 ♥ 12:42pm Paper Kosmonaut: It seems so silly nowadays.
	♥ 12:43pm Jan Turkenburg: That's joy of it, now.
	🎸 ♥ 12:43pm Paper Kosmonaut: absolutely.
	12:43pm MHLee: Elvis und Pat Boone
	♥ 12:45pm Jan Turkenburg: This Conny Vandenbos song has a typical Bert Paige arrangement. Boudewijn de Groot could take over any moment.
	🎸 ♥ 12:45pm Paper Kosmonaut: my thoughts! nice though.
	🎸 ♥ 12:46pm Paper Kosmonaut: A little "Pastorale" too.
	♥ 12:48pm Jan Turkenburg: yes and a few other songs, like "Mensen naar de maan"
	🎸 ♥ 12:53pm Paper Kosmonaut: So Bert Paige just was like we Dutch people say, "een enkeltruuks-dwergpaard".
	12:56pm MHLee: When i finish my current work i'm translating that @Paper Kosmonaut
	♥ 12:56pm Jan Turkenburg: well, that remark makes me 'steiger' a bit, PK :=)
	🎸 ♥ 12:58pm Paper Kosmonaut: One-trick pony. (A little too elaborate) (-: And it wasn't meant as a fact, merely as a presumption...
	♥ 1:00pm Jan Turkenburg: well, if a trick works, why don't use it a few more times, it doesn't mean he hadn't other techniques up his sleeve, I meant ;-)
	🎸 ♥ 1:01pm Paper Kosmonaut: I don't know any of his other works, actually so I was just a little mischievous here.
	🎸 ♥ 1:04pm Candy-O'67: Time for Shocking Blue!! :))
	♥ 1:04pm Jan Turkenburg: Well, I think he created a Dutch version of the "wall of sound".
	🎸 ♥ 1:05pm Paper Kosmonaut: that is certainly true, Jan.
	1:05pm MHLee: In my experience a one trick pony gets the label and then people ignore any work that doesnt conform
	1:05pm MHLee: Self fulfilling prophecy
	♥ 1:08pm Jan Turkenburg: my observation too, MHLee
	1:08pm Ursula 1000: hey Jan and everyone!
	🎸 ♥ 1:08pm Paper Kosmonaut: Also, some are seen as one-trick ponies by the general public but actually they are far from being so.
	♥ 1:08pm Jan Turkenburg: or should I say 'my perception'? :)
	♥ 1:09pm Jan Turkenburg: Hey Ursula1000!
	🎸 ♥ 1:09pm Paper Kosmonaut: Like me with mister Paige, I guess. (-;
	🎸 ♥ 1:15pm Paper Kosmonaut: And what Bert Paige did wasn't bad. At all.
	♥ 1:16pm Jan Turkenburg: It's alright, PK, it's alright! 🤣
	🎸 ♥ 1:18pm Paper Kosmonaut: phew
	🎸 ♥ 1:19pm Paper Kosmonaut: Gauw een bakje vla.
	1:23pm Mr Fab: Oh darn, I missed Supersister - play it again, Jan!
	♥ 1:24pm Jan Turkenburg: Hey Mr. Fab!
	♥ 1:29pm Derek Westerholm: Fantastic sounds for a day of vacation over here... Thanks for the soundtrack!
	♥ 1:30pm Jan Turkenburg: Hi Derek! Good to hear!
	1:30pm Mr Fab: This is from 2020, not 1980?!
	♥ 1:31pm Jan Turkenburg: The Kik is very 'retro' indeed.
	🎸 ♥ 1:32pm Paper Kosmonaut: Nice song.
	1:32pm Mr Fab: it's New New Wave
	1:35pm drolletje: I'm going to get bloot right now...
	🎸 ♥ 1:35pm Paper Kosmonaut: Bloterd!
	🎸 ♥ 1:35pm Paper Kosmonaut: - or bloterik!
	1:35pm Mr Fab: party bloot!
	♥ 1:38pm Jan Turkenburg: LOL!
	🎸 ♥ 1:41pm Paper Kosmonaut: huh? Playlist troubles, Jan?
	♥ 1:41pm Jan Turkenburg: trouble with the braincells this morning I guess...
	1:43pm drolletje: yay! Beatlecover!
	🎸 ♥ 1:46pm Candy-O'67: Boem boem boem boem - FUN FUN FUN!!
	🎸 ♥ 1:46pm Paper Kosmonaut: Ouwe Hans!
	1:48pm drolletje: YAY!!!!! RONNIE!!!!
	1:49pm drolletje: Thank you Jan! You've made my day!
	1:51pm drolletje: I'm clicky starring this for the title alone!
	♥ 1:51pm Jan Turkenburg: :-)
	🎸 ♥ 1:52pm Paper Kosmonaut: Kayak goes Waterloo?
	♥ 1:53pm Jan Turkenburg: hahahahaha
	♥ 1:55pm Beany: Kayak! This is lovely....
	1:56pm drolletje: Another superb show, Jan! And thank you for Ronnie!
	🎸 ♥ 1:56pm Lizardner Dave !: Thanks Jan!
	♥ 1:56pm Derek Westerholm: Great show!
	🎸 ♥ 1:56pm Paper Kosmonaut: Thanks for a great show, Jan. Great tunes!
	♥ 1:59pm Jan Turkenburg: Jan Rot lets us know he still feels fine physically (though he doesn't have very long to live anymore) High on his bucket list is finding new homes for of all his self-released cd's and books in which he put so much love .. www.janrot.nl... You're not only are acquiring real beautiful unique Dutch language music, (and Dutch language translations of the great songs in music history) but you are also supporting his wife and 4 young kids!
	🎸 ♥ 2:05pm Candy-O'67: Enjoyed it today, Jan! Thanks for the info on Jan Rot. Sorry his illness is terminal :(

Yes, We Have No Mountains with Jan Turkenburg: Playlist from August 18, 2021

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