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February 1, 2021: Adrian Daub, author, "What Tech Calls Thinking"
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Tonight: Adrian Daub, author, "What Tech Calls Thinking"
Links:
• What Tech Calls Thinking: An Inquiry Into the Intellectual Bedrock of Silicon Valley, by Adrian Daub
• AdrianDaub.com (personal site)
• Prof. Adrian Daub (Stanford page)
• NYT review, by Virginia Heffernan (Oct 13, 2020)
News:
• Shoshana Zuboff in a hugely important NYT Op-Ed (Jan 31, 2021), "The Coup We Are Not Talking About": "We may have democracy, or we may have surveillance society, but we cannot have both... Make no mistake: This is the fight for the soul of our information civilization."
• In related news, Rabbi Emily Cohen points out (Jan 26): "660 people have gained 1.1 trillion in wealth since March. Meanwhile, millions of Americans have been asked to make do with unemployment + $1800 in COVID relief."
• On Facebook feuding with Apple (NYT, Jan 28) due to the new privacy "nutrition labels" (see WhatsApp vs Signal). My take: it's like watching Godzilla vs. Gamera. Short term, nice that Apple is making public the outrageous theft that Facebook has built its business on. But Apple presenting itself as the high-minded moral actor is laughable, given that so much of its profits come from surveillance money (see the annual ~$10B tribute from Google).
• On Gamestop: Wall Street on Parade (Jan 30, 2021) reports that one of the main stock promoters is (was?) a MassMutual employee... and as for "sticking it to the man" - BlackRock may have made over $2 billion on GameStop.
• Matt Stoller on GameStop (Jan 31, 2021): "The basic problem GameStop reveals in our economy is that we are increasingly putting our time, energy, capital and talent we could use to build fun or useful things into gambling or acquiring market power."
• David Dayen in the American Prospect (Jan 28) : "The run-up in GameStop is just the 'pump' of a pump-and-dump scheme, where hype pulls people into a stock before the rug gets pulled out. In fact, that's what hedge fund managers do all the time, making bets and using research to puff up a stock, then taking the profits off moving a stock, through force of will—theirs—rather than the inherent value of the company. The only real difference here is that ordinary investors are driving the train, and the hedge fund guys are getting run over."
• AOC (Jan 27) posts: "Gotta admit it's really something to see Wall Streeters with a long history of treating our economy as a casino complain about a message board of posters also treating the market as a casino"
• On the topic of "innovation"...
• "All the cool casino news websites have authors with GAN-generated profile pics these days," writes @conspirator0 in this thread.
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